Obviously you are just trolling but Squid was clearly talking about his bankroll. LoL @ you presuming to know his living expenses. I can't speak for squid but I can speak for myself and my living expenses are $0/mo and the chances of me going broke at 2/5 with a $5k roll are pretty pretty pretty small.

This is what Sneaky Pete does. He finds posts he can argue & then continues to ride the wave when he gets them to bite.

You can ck out his posts & you'll find it's a habit of his. I've lost track of the number of times he's told the person he's debating with that their posts are "convoluted" or "muddled."

He has never made an original post.

squid face's original comment was based solely upon what $ amount he would need to grind out 2/5 & not go broke the vast majority of the time. It did not take into account anything else. That was quite obvious. Yet here we are, with Sneaky Pete looking for a debate.

Zuneit, can you not read that I was not the one suggesting that it was $5k plus 6 months expenses?

And don't take it personal because you are looking for friendship in this forum and I am not.

You don't eat or drive?

I can't even get through 4 hours for $0

Of course not, all of his time is spent making things up.

You go for the high quality massage parlors i see.

I eat out every meal (eat twice a day). It's all taken care of though.

For a guy as successful as he is, he sure is wasting a lot of time with us little people.

Lives in basement, mom cooks and drops him off ldo

what I was saying was if i were in his shoes I would feel comfy with my skillz playing with a 5k roll buying in for 100 bigs

In terms of bank roll it is all pie in the sky mental masturbation stuff.

In my last 8k+ hours of 2/5 buying in for 200 bigs my biggest downswing has been approx 7.5k playing in some of the toughest deepstack games full time

of that there was some BAD play on my behalf.

My downswing was larger than cushlashes, rob farhas, street poker chicks, Gooses, and just about any vegas pro whose game I respect.

those are a lot of hours combined

Soooo my point being if you suck at poker you will need a much larger roll than if you kick ass

I have a bunch of cash but I do not think about a roll anymore...and really havent in quite some time.

It's actually a garage penthouse (we don't have basements down here). She also picks me up.

Funny, I use to tell everyone. If you bust a 2k bankroll at 1/2, you should quit and fined a new hobby.

Then in March I went on $1900 downswing, and was actually over 2 k mark in the next session before pulling out of it. Granted, the game plays bigger than most 1/3 games.

But 4k, in a standard 1/2 game (100 BB buy-in). Is more than enough. If you lose 2k. You should probably go do something else with the other 2k.

I wouldn't wait till first off year either. Just start playing when you have a buy-in. Add to your bankroll as money comes available.

I wouldn't dismiss a 2k downswing in shallower 1/2 games either. The variance can be higher because more hands will go to showdown and bad players will realize their equity more often.

It really depends. If you're good and your game features mega soft, passive, face up players and a $200 max buy-in, $2000 downswing would be very rare without some play-bad to assist. Deep stacked action 1-2 tables, standard run bad.

I buy-in for $300 in my 1/2 games but when I was livin' off a shallow roll, I bought in for $200 & went on 2 downswings of 1.1k & 1.3k. Once my roll got over 6k & I started buying in for $300, I've never had a 1k downswing.

I don't take that to mean I won't experience one. If Johnny Chan can win 12 coin flips in a row, I can lose 12 coin flips in a row.......

I have larger downswings in shorter games, and have had 15 buyin downswings at 1/3 and 2/5. I probably spewed 1/4 of the buyins. My point is it happens a lot and even when you play deeper games 800bbs can disappear quite easily. You should be able to lose this much and keep playing your main game, because those swings are normal variance. If you have a 30-50 buyin BR it works

If I want a £10,000 bankroll I'm really going to have to win it.

What do you guys think of avoiding deepstacked play until/if I manage to grow my roll from £4,000 to £8,000? That or I could play a nittier style whenever I find myself deepstacked?

Certainly when I've played online in the past I usually came unstuck following massive losses in single pots while deepstacked. I certainly can't countenance losing £1,000 in a single hand so I guess I'm not going to be able to play my normal game deepstacked until I get over that psychological hurdle.

Yep. When I get deep enough to have 10% of my BR on the table as an effective stack, it's time to get up, imo. I just can't play my A game when I'm that worried about the hit that I could take.

Thanks Garick, that's reassuring to hear. Like Marty McFly I often force myself to play on because I don't want anyone accusing me of being chicken.

So for 2016 my BR is £4,000 and I'm cashing out or moving tables and buying only 100bb whenever I find myself > 10% of BR effective stack. If my roll drops below £4,000 I won't limit myself to like £350 or something, I will stick to cashing out if >= £400 but I will let the stack limit rise as my roll rises (hopefully!).

Yea, playing with over 10% of your roll on the table is insane. So is doing stuff to avoid being called a chicken. Do what you need to do to build up a roll. 99%+ of people are never able to build a decent roll from low stakes. Gotta stay disciplined if you wanna be in the 1%.

Couldn't disagree more for 1/2 player. If your at a great table, and you have a 4k bankroll. Spin a $200 buy-in up to $600 I am never leaving, because of a stupid 10% rule.

Your risk of ruin is hardly effected. Having $3800 or having $4400 with $600 in play.

Most of the time effective stacks will be much lower than your stack.

The benefits of table image, and running well, (plus it highly likely you are playing well), just out weigh the chances of going broke.

Obviously depends on your winrate. But ROR are fairly close if you have 19 buyins or 22.

When building a bankroll. The big nights you can have at great 1/2 games are paramount.

For a rec player (with a bankroll), capping your wins while building bankroll is foolish.

If-
-your winning player
-if your at great table
-if you have 15+ buy-in bankroll

I am about to get hammered for this. So here is disclaimer.

Don't play 1/2 as pro. Get a job, play recreationaly. If you are so worried about losing 20 buy-in, that you have to cap your winnings. Then move down stakes.

Losing 20 buy-ins at 1/2 is highly unlikely for winning player live.

^I agree

Cap your losses not your wins.

I have definitely had more than 10% of my bankroll on the table before, and I wouldn't cash out if the game was really good. I am actually somewhat nitty with BRM.

Just like other "rules" in poker, the "NEVER have more than 10% of your roll on the table at any given time" should be treated like a guideline instead of a hard and fast rule...subject to many exceptions.

I think a much better saying would be "mostly don't buy in for 10% of your total roll at once".

Now that I think about it, there's a couple of times I have had around 50% of my roll on the table, but I started with 1 buy in and just ran hotter then the sun. It didn't even cross my mind that I had half ny roll in the table.