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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

11-05-2015 , 06:56 PM
You want V to believe your range is narrow and yet clearly your range isn't...
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11-05-2015 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
AK is blocked from villain's perspective...

Ah yes of course.
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11-05-2015 , 07:00 PM
FWIW, I think it's one of those backwards logic that V is somehow one level below instead one above.

Johnny didn't want to accept that V could be better and therefore he could only be worse.
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11-05-2015 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
I mean.. they did just see you shipping and showing down 77 on 9 high
So what's your point? I thought I had the best hand so I shipped it (and was correct). I'd think the table should be more excited by the guy that called me off with (what I'm guessing was) AK. The table saw all 3 hands I played - AQo (called value bet won at showdown), AQs (called bluff lost at showdown) 77 (called shove won at showdown) so I don't think he can make some crazy assumption that I am 5! shoving light after playing tight up to that point.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete
FWIW, I think it's one of those backwards logic that V is somehow one level below instead one above.

Johnny didn't want to accept that V could be better and therefore he could only be worse.
The whole point I was trying to make was that if I had to guess whether the villain was some wizard that did the mental math in his head and instantly knew his equity, or just looked at his cards and said "I have AK, **** it" - then I would go with the latter.
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11-05-2015 , 07:46 PM
So if you were in villain's shoes, you would fold AK and then feel ok when he shows you that his range is wider than you think?
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11-05-2015 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Past the 2,500 hour mark at live 1/3 NL last night.

Overall, the picture looks fine: 8.17 bb/hr

But, on closer inspection, the writing might be on the wall (???)...

The first 1,774 hours (admittedly stopping right before my worst downswing): 10.12 bb/hr

The last 732 hours (admittedly including my two poor downswings): 3.45 bb/hr

Ouch!

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I remember when I first read your strategy post, I asked if you always shove the nuts otr, how long did you think it'd be until people noticed. Are you still doing it as often and getting fewer calls?, or seeing face up folds you used to not get. I haven't prison raped since April, guys just seem to love folding and showing how "good" they are. I'd say you probably need to get value a little at a time now not all at once, and increase your non-SD winnings.
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11-05-2015 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
So what's your point? I thought I had the best hand so I shipped it (and was correct). I'd think the table should be more excited by the guy that called me off with (what I'm guessing was) AK. The table saw all 3 hands I played - AQo (called value bet won at showdown), AQs (called bluff lost at showdown) 77 (called shove won at showdown) so I don't think he can make some crazy assumption that I am 5! shoving light after playing tight up to that point.



The whole point I was trying to make was that if I had to guess whether the villain was some wizard that did the mental math in his head and instantly knew his equity, or just looked at his cards and said "I have AK, **** it" - then I would go with the latter.

You don't have to be a wizard. This is the easiest level 1 math in the game. I'd be willing to bet he didn't think about it further once he 4 bet you. He decides before he put any more money in that he was calling a shove. Why would your jam change that decision? I can't remember the last time I 3/4/5 bet some one without thinking what to do next if this or that happens.

And the 77 hand demonstrates to the table you're somewhat thinking about the game and what your opponents have and that you probably are not a nit.
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11-05-2015 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pots-For-Sale
You don't have to be a wizard. This is the easiest level 1 math in the game. I'd be willing to bet he didn't think about it further once he 4 bet you. He decides before he put any more money in that he was calling a shove. Why would your jam change that decision? I can't remember the last time I 3/4/5 bet some one without thinking what to do next if this or that happens.

And the 77 hand demonstrates to the table you're somewhat thinking about the game and what your opponents have and that you probably are not a nit.
Do you think he was right to 4!?

And if I know (in the future) that I have no FE there, am I better off just flatting his 4! and shoving (or check/shoving) all flops since I'm committed to my hand but would rather he doesn't see 5 cards?

Sorry for thread derail can answer by pm if you want.
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11-05-2015 , 10:37 PM
JB: I honestly think the hand is totally standard. You are playing 50bb poker here. You are in the CO he is button. He has a "real hand". When he makes it 250 he is never ever ever folding.
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11-05-2015 , 11:32 PM
I finally take another peek at this thread and-

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One of the slumber party pros .
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11-06-2015 , 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Do you think he was right to 4!?

And if I know (in the future) that I have no FE there, am I better off just flatting his 4! and shoving (or check/shoving) all flops since I'm committed to my hand but would rather he doesn't see 5 cards?

Sorry for thread derail can answer by pm if you want.
Even if you call he is never bet/folding the flop..

He is either shoving for a PSB, or bet/calling. Nobody folds AK pre in an aggressive game johnny.
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11-06-2015 , 03:07 AM
Where are the best 5/T games in the country if a player wants to improve his win rate and bankroll
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11-06-2015 , 09:26 AM
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Where are the best 5/T games in the country if a player wants to improve his win rate and bankroll
Depends on whether or not a player has a life roll to deal with a higher cost of living.
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11-06-2015 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
I remember when I first read your strategy post, I asked if you always shove the nuts otr, how long did you think it'd be until people noticed. Are you still doing it as often and getting fewer calls?, or seeing face up folds you used to not get. I haven't prison raped since April, guys just seem to love folding and showing how "good" they are. I'd say you probably need to get value a little at a time now not all at once, and increase your non-SD winnings.
There is an interesting dynamic where people love to show their folds. Showing a few big bluffs usually remedies this for a long time. Only problem is making the big bluffs
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11-06-2015 , 10:41 AM
got meself back on track with a 14 hundo session at 2/5 last night. wild week so far

+1400 (1/3)
-2000 (T/T)
+1400 (2/5)
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11-06-2015 , 11:18 AM
If you think his range is basically AKo+, then the most optimal line is probably flatting pre and check/folding if an A or K flop, and check/shoving any other flop -- extracts the most value from AK while denying him like 20% equity, loses the minimum when we get out-flopped, and does the same thing for when he has KK/AA.

It can also extract some extra value if he ever has bluffs here -- this is somewhat contradicting logic though, because me saying that be more reason as to why we should be shoving pre if he does in fact have bluffs and our plan is to fold on A or K high flops.
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11-06-2015 , 11:39 AM
Live poker variance is just dumb sometimes. I have played a ton of live poker (14k+ hours), and I am seeing things now that I have never seen before. I have never been exiled to the soul-crushing abyss that others have visited before, but I am currently experiencing the opposite. Feels like a dream from which I never want to wake up.
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11-06-2015 , 12:30 PM
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Live poker variance is just dumb sometimes. I have played a ton of live poker (14k+ hours), and I am seeing things now that I have never seen before. I have never been exiled to the soul-crushing abyss that others have visited before, but I am currently experiencing the opposite. Feels like a dream from which I never want to wake up.
Nice barg.
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11-06-2015 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Do you think he was right to 4!?

And if I know (in the future) that I have no FE there, am I better off just flatting his 4! and shoving (or check/shoving) all flops since I'm committed to my hand but would rather he doesn't see 5 cards?

Sorry for thread derail can answer by pm if you want.

He 3-bet you after you raised one limper of the straddle. You 4-bet shipped.
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11-06-2015 , 01:33 PM
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Nice barg.
Better than multiple pages of discussion about a standard coin flip hand.
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11-06-2015 , 01:37 PM
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Better than multiple pages of discussion about a standard coin flip hand.
Seriously, can a mod get in here and shut down that pointless convo? This thread is for winrate discussion not JB's personal BBV.
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11-06-2015 , 01:47 PM
A friend of mine asked me for advice on this problem and I'm torn maybe you guys can help. He has a $12,500 bankroll and here are his options:

He can stay at home with his parents where his living expenses will be covered by a part time job he works for 25 hours a week. In this scenario he can play in a 2/5 game for 22 hours a week that will cost him $110 a week to play. He can also play 10 hours a week in a $1/3 game where his edge is MASSIVE. If he goes on enough of a downswing (an amount that has not been predetermined but I'm guessing is something around 1000bb) he has to move down to $1/2 on the weekends where he will only be able to play 15 hours a week, but it costs nothing to play.

Second option he has is to move to Vegas with living expenses of $1300 a month and play $1/2. He's comfortable grinding for 270 hours a month there. His set up would be 3000bb set aside for poker, 3 months living expenses and the rest will be fall back money for him to move back home. If he's losing after the first month in a way that was not clearly attributable to variance, he's moving back. If he's break even after 2 months or worst he's moving back. If he moves back, he'll continue to play poker as he would have in scenario 1, but cannot take the part time job.

Which has the higher chance of success assuming the 2/5 game he plays and the 1/2 game in Vegas are relatively same skill with the 2/5 probably being softer? His major concern is that he feels like moving to Vegas is probably the best option, but he really doesn't want to leave home.
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11-06-2015 , 02:02 PM
Live at home with parents and grind local 2/5 NL + 1/3 NL. Moving to Vegas to grind 1/2 NL is the nut low.
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11-06-2015 , 02:13 PM
Stay at home and play $1/3. Get a "real" job too.
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11-06-2015 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Angrist
Stay at home and play $1/3. Get a "real" job too.
Did you miss my multiple mentions of the job he'll have?

Also to clarify, I'm only looking for answers on his statistical likelihood of success. It's not like he has prospects for a 6 figure job. His best hopes if he got a full time job are in the area of 30k/year. I'm not sure what a lot of you guys who have a stigma against full time poker do for a living but I'm sure you guys probably make more than that. So understand that to him $14-16 per hour is a ton of money.

Edit: I only add that because I get the feeling from your answers "The nut low", "Get a 'real' job" that you're overestimating the alternatives.
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