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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

09-25-2015 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
I think anyone's best shot at making 10bb\hr is to play rake free.
Rake is for suckers
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09-25-2015 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopedupwalrus
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Dang... I can't figure out the image thing... The line goes up, tho.

Total Hrs 249
Total Winnings 10758
$/Hr 43.20481928
Hands Played (30/hr) 7470

1/2: 70% Hours, 60% Winnings
1/3: 30% Hours, 40% Winnings
You need to host the image somewhere on the internet, like tinypic.com, or some such. 2+2 can't see in to your home computer.
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09-25-2015 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by t_roy
The number of people that can make it as a pro and the number of people that can beat the game for an hourly that could theoretically support being a pro are two very different things.

Doesn't really impact the win rate discussion though.
Yes
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09-25-2015 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopedupwalrus
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Total Hrs 249
Total Winnings 10758
$/Hr 43.20481928
Hands Played (30/hr) 7470

1/2: 70% Hours, 60% Winnings
1/3: 30% Hours, 40% Winnings


Thanks Garick
Not sure what other info would be interesting on it BIP
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09-25-2015 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
When you include benefits, a $30k/year job is easily $50k+ in comparison.
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
yes, having a 30k/year job does not = $25 hour in your pocket but you're also forgetting things like medical insurance that having a full time job pays for, or a good % of, that poker players have to pay out of pocket as well as possible other 401k matching/pensions.
If you're Mr. Glass maybe benefits are worth $20K. Most years you're not going to use any of it and it'll cost you.
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09-25-2015 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopedupwalrus


Thanks Garick
Not sure what other info would be interesting on it BIP
:thumbsup:

Very nice. Your poker story? [play for fun? been playing for years? When did you start tracking and why?, etc]

A lot of context to add - please share what got you into tracking results. Thanks for posting

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Originally Posted by kekeeke
2015, 1/2 with some 2/5 (under 25 hours) and some 1/3, 1200 hours total



Image did not go thru?



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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
smh...

Let me try.

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I had to zoom way in, but I see it now
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09-25-2015 , 06:42 PM
Started online in 2006 when I was 18, made a few grand before Bush ended that fun.
I was an arrogant douche, just figuring I'm smarter than the field, so I'll crush em.
Once I turned 21, I would play randomly for a few years as a BE rec guy, again thinking, I'll win, I'm smarter than these guys... One time I asked a guy, "Are you calculating odds or something??" Lol, I didn't even know the simplest things, like hand odds, pot odds, bet sizing, positional strength, didn't know how to value hand pre or post. I think the field was just so damn soft for the first few years after the Moneymaker WSOP that no matter how bad I was, I still BE. I quit for 4 years because I had no opportunity to play and went to school again for engineering.

The 250 hours I've posted here is me getting back into the game, but giving it the respect it deserves. I got drunk 5 months ago with a friend on a cruise after I quit my job and sat at the poker table... I've had the itch ever since. Spent 4 days reading everything I could, and downloaded the app "InstaPoker" and bought a few hand packs... Sounds ridiculous, but that thing is great for people needing somewhere to start. After that, its all been poker 2 + 2, adding new weapons every week from reading articles, and live experience. Looking for any reason to believe I'm not on some crazy heater..

I don't think I am really. I get crushed all the time by my opponents Hail Mary gutter balls, and priced out FD. I've been rivered more times than I can count. I remember every time I sucked out on a guy (I consider this, not having the necessary odds / reasonable IO to make a call). I don't consider winning pots when I'm the dog a win. It puts me on Tilt more than a bad beat. I do know, however, that I am getting insanely lucky when I have KK and my opponent has AA... I'm 50-50 in that situation. So that'll get me soon enough.

I was a fish long enough to know how good I am, and good enough to know I'm not that good. To paraphrase Dan Bilzerian, "I'm not that good, everyone else just sucks!"

I'm tracking results because I quit my job and figure I'll chase the dream and go after that bucket list while I have the chance. I was in Oil & Gas... so until the oil price pops back up...Poker it is. I needed to know if poker was something I could use to supplement my savings while I live the life and secretly hope oil stays depressed for a while.

Hours 140-200 were trying... I could not win to save my life, tilted, got impatient, and most importantly was arrogant. I like the trend of the past 50 hours.
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09-25-2015 , 06:53 PM
Bush didn't do **** to kill online poker. Blame congress.

With only 250 hours, I'm still going to go with "heater". That sample size is still very small. Yes, you might be a solid winner, but your results aren't enough yet.
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09-25-2015 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by meale
I'm sorry but saying you're "pretty sure" there are "multiple" crushers itt who have >2k hours @10bb/hr is just continuing the delusion this forum is under.

They either don't exist on this forum, or do and fabricate their results in some way but I would think that's unlikely. My suspicion is that there is just none left with that kind of WR after 2k hours because 40bb/100 in ANY game of poker is impossible.

And stop comparing online to live as apples and oranges folks. Obviously I'm aware of the differences. When it comes to winrate the only thing that actually matters is the skill differential. And I know for a fact if a $0.01/$0.02 game can only be beaten for 20bb/100 then it is not possible to beat any other game at 40bb/100 (10bb/hr as many of you are attesting to).

I am always surprised to see this opinion constantly cycled through here. I am by no means some amazing wizard and I manage a 10bb/hr playing in my local 1/2 games(1700hrs since last Sept). I personally know of at least 2 other people who are beating it similarly as well (study group) and none of us cheat on our tracking apps.

Of course no one is beating 2nl for more than 20bb/100, but at 2nl there aren't many people who can't be bothered to open a poker book. I know of dozens of live rec regs (fish) who brag openly about never reading a poker book and happily 3b shove 200bbs with AA because they 'don't want to get drawn out on'.

Quite simply, the live games have enough overall bad players that the fish never have to worry about improving. They sit and trade $$ every night and then complain about other regs pulling "donkey plays" vs them and then do the exact same move in the same session. There arent mass multitablers and HUDs taking advantage of every single mistake they make and because of the pace of game, they lose MUCH slower than they would online.
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09-25-2015 , 07:07 PM
According to 538, there are over 1500 people in the USA named "Seven." I really doubt the amount of people crushing live in NA is 1/3 of the amount of people with the first name "Seven."
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09-25-2015 , 07:25 PM
Hey, that's my name.
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09-25-2015 , 07:40 PM
Are you part of the one third? Or is your name actually soda or isosceles?
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09-25-2015 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bip!
We also went from "tons of player @ LLSNL are winning 10bb/hr" to "nobody @ LLNSL can win 10bb/hr". ... also known as the battle to be wrongest

Thanks to everyone who posts results and congrats to the ones winning. I wish more people post giraffes (even short samples) - just so all readers got a better picture of actual results in the wild.
I'll post mine if somebody can tell me how to post pics and graphs? Then you can all see my struggles above 2/4

Maybe I can send data to you
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09-25-2015 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
You need to host the image somewhere on the internet, like tinypic.com, or some such. 2+2 can't see in to your home computer.



@ feel wrath
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09-25-2015 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I'll post mine if somebody can tell me how to post pics and graphs? Then you can all see my struggles above 2/4

Maybe I can send data to you

Lol fish
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09-25-2015 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Lol fish
Lol Baltimore
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09-25-2015 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopedupwalrus
@ feel wrath
Seems a little scary to me
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09-25-2015 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I'll post mine if somebody can tell me how to post pics and graphs? Then you can all see my struggles above 2/4

Maybe I can send data to you
Here's the plot of the data you sent.

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09-25-2015 , 10:28 PM
Wow dude, graphic image like that needs to have NSFW and spoiler tags around it...
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09-25-2015 , 11:39 PM
Is there a thread in this forum where giant red clown shoes aren't the standard?
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09-26-2015 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TobiasReiper
I am always surprised to see this opinion constantly cycled through here. I am by no means some amazing wizard and I manage a 10bb/hr playing in my local 1/2 games(1700hrs since last Sept). I personally know of at least 2 other people who are beating it similarly as well (study group) and none of us cheat on our tracking apps.

Of course no one is beating 2nl for more than 20bb/100, but at 2nl there aren't many people who can't be bothered to open a poker book. I know of dozens of live rec regs (fish) who brag openly about never reading a poker book and happily 3b shove 200bbs with AA because they 'don't want to get drawn out on'.

Quite simply, the live games have enough overall bad players that the fish never have to worry about improving. They sit and trade $$ every night and then complain about other regs pulling "donkey plays" vs them and then do the exact same move in the same session. There arent mass multitablers and HUDs taking advantage of every single mistake they make and because of the pace of game, they lose MUCH slower than they would online.
1/2 in an easy room w deep stacks, fine. I'll pay that. But $20/hr w the variance isn't worth talking about for me. I'll admit, it is pretty amazing still that this can be done if what you're saying is true.

If it can be done at 2/4+, I'll eat my shoe.
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09-26-2015 , 01:29 AM
What the hell is .01/.02 ??!!?? Seriously?? Is that even considered poker????
I played with fake money back in the day on party poker, I made a mirrion dorrars.
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09-26-2015 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
1/2 in an easy room w deep stacks, fine. I'll pay that. But $20/hr w the variance isn't worth talking about for me. I'll admit, it is pretty amazing still that this can be done if what you're saying is true.

If it can be done at 2/4+, I'll eat my shoe.
Did you not read the earlier posts? It is being done. Just because you're not good enough doesn't mean nobody else is
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09-26-2015 , 01:56 AM
Oops
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09-26-2015 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
1/2 in an easy room w deep stacks, fine. I'll pay that. But $20/hr w the variance isn't worth talking about for me. I'll admit, it is pretty amazing still that this can be done if what you're saying is true.

If it can be done at 2/4+, I'll eat my shoe.
FFS! Start eating. I just quoted PayForMySchool's 2.5K hours at 2/5 with results over 10BB/hr last night. Did you skip over that post because it didn't fit your prejudices?
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