I guess if a home game player who doesn't pay any rake is beating his game for 15bb/hr, and we use that number to calculate my little scenario, then we will have some issues.

100BB .01/.02 NL with a bunch of regs and 4.5% uncapped rake can only be beaten for 20BBs/100.

That tells us nothing about live 2/5 NL with deep stacks.

How many drunk idiots stumble onto a 0.01/0.02 table and punt off stacks like they're playing hands of blackjack again?

Sure could be. I've been in a game where a whale was shoving any 2 cards for 2 hours straight (and i've played with this whale on multiple occassions where he has started shoving all in blind). This type of behavior is why 10bb/hr is not necessarily the highest attainable winrate in some poker rooms.

This type of thing is more common at 5/T+ from what I've seen. People like to flip to get even or go broke and if they don't flip they'll just go do it at blackjack or baccarat.

It's a bit mind blowing how some poker geniuses can struggle so mightily with a simple accounting problem. I'm not hating though. I ****ing hate accounting too.

Three people check into a hotel room. The clerk says the bill is $30, so each guest pays $10. Later the clerk realizes the bill should only be $25. To rectify this, he gives the bellhop $5 to return to the guests. On the way to the room, the bellhop realizes that he cannot divide the money equally. As the guests didn't know the total of the revised bill, the bellhop decides to just give each guest $1 and keep $2 as a tip for himself. Each guest got $1 back: so now each guest only paid $9; bringing the total paid to $27. The bellhop has $2. And $27 + $2 = $29 so, if the guests originally handed over $30, what happened to the remaining $1?

Dude, was this on GMAT?

do I explain this now or do we wait a little?

Do it now, but make sure it's wrong, then insult everyone for not being able to do simple arithmetic.

Patience...




Or this.

Lol you think there's a "bunch of regs" at 2NL? 1 reg per table if you're lucky and they're atrociously bad.

Also not sure how fair it is to argue deep stacks at 2/5. In my room at least (2/4) most of the table buys in for $100-$300.

Also I wouldn't play the rake card. Obviously rake in live games works toward my argument.

Go home winrate thread. You're drunk.

This is just ridiculous. You make a proposition "X is impossible." Then you make the "logical" conclusion "any evidence that proves X is fabricated, since X is impossible." You sound like the Pope trying Galileo.

You are making a claim about online related to live. You are claiming that no live game has a skill differential twice as great as OL 2NL. What evidence do you have to support that?

You're the one saying it's impossible. You search the thread and show evidence that results that meet your (new) criteria aren't there and/or provide evidence that they are fabricated. Hint: "they must be fabricated because the claimed results are impossible, as I've proven by claiming it" is not evidence.

Okay, don't worry about people fabricating evidence. I'm not worried about that. I still haven't seen any evidence whatsoever of 10bb/hr being reasonable.

My claim, if you will, is that beating ANY poker game for 40bb/100 is actually laughable, especially with the higher rake in live games.

And yes, if I can see a PI graph of 10bb/hr over 2k+ hours, I'll be the first to eat my words and say it's possible.

I'm hearing all these people say 10bb/hr is the baseline for a crusher, but has anyone actually seen proof of someone do this over a reasonable sample?

The $27 paid includes the $2 which the bellboy stole.

There are several players in this forum who are beating the game for more than this over a large sample

I'm not going to name them because it is their business but they are people many of us in here know in person.

And a few who don't post here anymore who did so as well but then moved to higher stakes.

Or staking deals...

Winrate changes a lot depending on the area you play at.

I crush my local games but would probably be breakeven or slightly losing in a last vegas casino longterm, in fact I wouldnt even play in those shthole even if it was my only poker option, so boring, fuark.

I'm really happy with my winrate of 7bb/h, but I play at MDL which has been a really great room for action at 2/5. I'm not really sure how the action works outs on a more broad spectrum, but I feel that I'm crushing the game, and could make very little changes to make more.

I'm not sure how much the absolute best players could make, but 10bb/hr sounds high for 2/5+. 1/2 that could be achievable.

Congratulations! You're less than 3bb/Hr worse than the best players in the world!

You guys made the winrate argument really complicated.

It's a zero sum game if you include everyone not just the guys playing poker. Say 1 guy makes 10BB/hour at $2-5. In a 9 handed game, at 1 table:

Dealer makes $30/hr.
House makes $100/hr.
Waitress makes $10/hr.
Food runner makes $2/hr.
Chip runner makes $1/hr.
Floor makes $1/hr.
Player 1 makes $A/hr.
Player 2 makes $B/hr.
Player 3 makes $C/hr.
Player 4 makes $D/hr.
Player 5 makes $E/hr.
Player 6 makes $F/hr.
Player 7 makes $G/hr.
Player 8 makes $H/hr.
Player 9 makes $50/hr.

We have $194/hour being made. So we need $194/hour being lost.

A + B + C + D + E + F + G + H = -$194.

That only works if 50bb/Hr guy wins that after rake

Is there any other time?