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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

09-21-2015 , 07:54 PM
smartest thing is to constant post **** thats too vague to disprove but doesn't really help anyone


then when anyone else posts anything accuse them of posting nonsense by tirelessly questioning their arguments without providing any counterarguments of my own.

thats how I tackle no limit holdem

unrelated does anyone know how to ignore a particular poster on these forums?
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09-21-2015 , 07:59 PM
seriously I've posted on another forum ONLY in the off topic in which nothing was too stupid and in 3 years and 16k posts I've never seen a more prolific **** poster who consistently posts negative/irrelevant/needlessly argumentative/poorly written posts who hasn't been banned and frankly you post in and ruin almost every thread I lurk/try to contribute/post in and I am absolutely astonished that you aren't banned.

this forum is worse for having you and I hope you one day seek actual help. I've been in therapy for months and it was a huge step forward in my life maybe you should consider it.
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09-21-2015 , 08:10 PM
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seriously I've posted on another forum ONLY in the off topic in which nothing was too stupid and in 3 years and 16k posts I've never seen a more prolific **** poster who consistently posts negative/irrelevant/needlessly argumentative/poorly written posts who hasn't been banned and frankly you post in and ruin almost every thread I lurk/try to contribute/post in and I am absolutely astonished that you aren't banned.

this forum is worse for having you and I hope you one day seek actual help. I've been in therapy for months and it was a huge step forward in my life maybe you should consider it.
Is that Lindsey? God she used to be so damn hot. I had a huge crush. Those were the days.
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09-21-2015 , 08:30 PM
Hey, don't blame me because you are not capable of seeing the value.
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09-21-2015 , 08:39 PM
Click on their name. Click on "user lists." Click on "add to ignore list."
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09-21-2015 , 08:49 PM
At risk of inflating his ego.... RP is the most consistently on point poster in LLSNL imo.

Last edited by t_roy; 09-21-2015 at 08:49 PM. Reason: I'm afraid of what I've just done.
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09-21-2015 , 08:50 PM
Don't worry, it's already pretty inflated, thanks to mpethy.
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09-21-2015 , 09:07 PM
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Don't worry, it's already pretty inflated, thanks to mpethy.
*standing around holding a stick pin* hmm, whatever shall I do with this thing...
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09-21-2015 , 09:10 PM
Honestly though, I don't have any ill intention when I post, but people tend to find anything that isn't aligned with what they want to hear as negative.
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09-21-2015 , 09:33 PM
Just the nature of the forums imo. Everyone thinks they are awesome, and get really upset if someone tells them they still have a lot of work to do.

Between your posts and discussions with a friend, I finally realized that the nut peddlers (majority of 2+2?) are hardly profitable if at all. It's kind of depressing realizing how many people are playing thinking that they are profitable when they aren't. In my head, I had always assumed they were making like $20/hour at 2/5. Now I'm thinking they are lucky if they make $5.
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09-21-2015 , 10:15 PM
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this forum is worse for having you and I hope you one day seek actual help. I've been in therapy for months and it was a huge step forward in my life maybe you should consider it.
It's interesting to me that people with problems think I have problems, and that people who frequent a gambling forum think that I am unhappy and need help.

You guys could be right, but would you listen to the people I just described if you were me?

I mean, shouldn't I be worried if all the fish at the poker agree with the way I think?
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09-21-2015 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
It's interesting to me that people with problems think I have problems, and that people who frequent a gambling forum think that I am unhappy and need help.

You guys could be right, but would you listen to the people I just described if you were me?

I mean, shouldn't I be worried if all the fish at the poker agree with the way I think?
Lol... now you are showing off.
Sometimes fish make good moves haha
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09-21-2015 , 11:56 PM
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smartest thing is to constant post **** thats too vague to disprove but doesn't really help anyone
Like this?...

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i won 940 today at 2/5

$83.64/h over 81 hours.




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Click on their name. Click on "user lists." Click on "add to ignore list."
In case I ever say something that was just said or don't post comebacks when trash insults me, it's because I must have the record for longest Ignore List.
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09-22-2015 , 12:34 AM
A "reg" is simply that. A regular. Someone who plays regularly. While not telling us much about their skill level, we can make some useful assumptions about this. For instance, one cannot be an absolutely atrocious player and be a "reg" over a large sample. People who consistently lose a lot of money stop playing.

Also since this is live poker, 90% of the "regs" are also going to be "fish". The other 10% being pros or people who could play professionally but choose not to.
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09-22-2015 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by t_roy

Between your posts and discussions with a friend, I finally realized that the nut peddlers (majority of 2+2?) are hardly profitable if at all. It's kind of depressing realizing how many people are playing thinking that they are profitable when they aren't. In my head, I had always assumed they were making like $20/hour at 2/5. Now I'm thinking they are lucky if they make $5.
Really just a matter of finding good games. I think a nitty TAG on autopilot could beat my regular game for >10BB/hr.
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09-22-2015 , 05:12 AM
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People who consistently lose a lot of money stop playing.
I don't think casinos would exist if this were true.
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09-22-2015 , 07:11 AM
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I don't think casinos would exist if this were true.
Sure they'd exist. There's a difference between guys who are marginal losers or breakeven and then the whales spewing plenty every time. The whales cannot last. People who "reg" a poker room are usually going to be part of the former group, otherwise they'd be less likely to frequent the room.

That said, you see a lot of ridiculously horribad **** from regs.
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09-22-2015 , 09:48 AM
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Really just a matter of finding good games. I think a nitty TAG on autopilot could beat my regular game for >10BB/hr.
Nitty, TAG is not what I'm talking about. That's what they think they are, but they are really just weak tight and refuse to fold overpairs vs. fish.

10bb/hr is exceptionally rare in a casino environment (you mean home game?) so I really doubt that even a nitty TAG could really be that profitable. I've recently come to realize that everyone is making way less than I thought.
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09-22-2015 , 09:55 AM
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Nitty, TAG is not what I'm talking about. That's what they think they are, but they are really just weak tight and refuse to fold overpairs vs. fish.

10bb/hr is exceptionally rare in a casino environment (you mean home game?) so I really doubt that even a nitty TAG could really be that profitable. I've recently come to realize that everyone is making way less than I thought.
Kookiemonster is right about it being about the game. Despite him always thinking I'm trolling, I really am amazed at his games. And yes, a nitty TAG on autopilot, able to fold overpairs or not, could absolutely beat his game for 10 bb per hour.
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09-22-2015 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
A "reg" is simply that. A regular. Someone who plays regularly. While not telling us much about their skill level, we can make some useful assumptions about this. For instance, one cannot be an absolutely atrocious player and be a "reg" over a large sample. People who consistently lose a lot of money stop playing.

Also since this is live poker, 90% of the "regs" are also going to be "fish". The other 10% being pros or people who could play professionally but choose not to.
Not true at all.

As to your convo with Eldiesel, I think you missed his point completely. You may have noticed there are other areas of the casino aside from the poker room. There are machines with flashing lights called slots. Some casinos even have table games. People do nothing but lose money on these, no chance of winning in the long run. Some people enjoy this for entertainment value, gambling problems, whatever, doesn't matter. Point is, some people play poker for the exact same reasons and couldn't care less if they win in the "long run". If they cash out once a month up 5 buyins they don't care about the 15 they lost before that.

Then there are the regs who "keep track in their head" and are "more or less ahead". They lose due to bad luck and win due to skill. These players are "thinking" players who will also lose a lot in the long run.

Last edited by BirdsallSa; 09-22-2015 at 10:05 AM.
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09-22-2015 , 11:11 AM
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Kookiemonster is right about it being about the game. Despite him always thinking I'm trolling, I really am amazed at his games. And yes, a nitty TAG on autopilot, able to fold overpairs or not, could absolutely beat his game for 10 bb per hour.
I am skeptical.

~35bb/hr to rake/tip/jackpot, 1 autopilot making 10bb/hr, 1 decent player making 15bb/hr, 1 BE player = 6 players losing 60bb/hr.

And if someone on autopilot could actually make 10bb/hr, sharks would swim in from afar and the pool takes huge hits.

Unless room is big with bunch of brain dead money dudes who just love to come in to the poker room and lose more than $50/hr over and over again...And we all know that "winners" in most poker games are god's greatest gift douchebags, I highly doubt that the pool can maintain itself.

So if the room is indeed that easy, enjoy it while you can. It won't last.
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09-22-2015 , 11:23 AM
Is there a graph that exists that extrapolates live win rate decay (over a reasonable sample) as you move up in limits?

I know it's entirely player dependent and how much you choose to improve as a player, but for long-term planning purposes, it'd be nice to know what is reasonably attainable assuming you continue to work at your craft?

Something like the following

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09-22-2015 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Is there a graph that exists that extrapolates live win rate decay (over a reasonable sample) as you move up in limits?

I know it's entirely player dependent and how much you choose to improve as a player, but for long-term planning purposes, it'd be nice to know what is reasonably attainable assuming you continue to work at your craft?

Something like the following

That purple line makes me think it's time to move up.
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09-22-2015 , 11:36 AM
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I am skeptical.

~35bb/hr to rake/tip/jackpot, 1 autopilot making 10bb/hr, 1 decent player making 15bb/hr, 1 BE player = 6 players losing 60bb/hr.

And if someone on autopilot could actually make 10bb/hr, sharks would swim in from afar and the pool takes huge hits.

Unless room is big with bunch of brain dead money dudes who just love to come in to the poker room and lose more than $50/hr over and over again...And we all know that "winners" in most poker games are god's greatest gift douchebags, I highly doubt that the pool can maintain itself.

So if the room is indeed that easy, enjoy it while you can. It won't last.
Idk man. There's a homegame in my area that runs 1/3 with an uncapped 10% rake. I'm pretty sure there are at least 6 players in that game losing 60bb/hr and there are bad players in that pool who have been going for years.

We might also be thinking of the level that autopilot guy is playing on differently, because I envisioned him as a "decent" player. I guess if we're saying he's a guy that has a good preflop range, but is just a joke post flop then maybe he'd win less. Hard to say really.

Like I remember a hand KM posted where he had QQ with some stupid amount like 800 bb deep, where he put in like 500bb with the bare overpair against aggression and was good. It seems to me from hands like that, that it wouldn't take much to beat that game for 10bb per hour.
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09-22-2015 , 12:03 PM
[QUOTE=David Sklansky;48173488]Say there are 100 things to know about poker. 25 are fundamental. There is a book that teaches the 25 fundamental things plus 10 more that are highly technical. The author doesn't know a lot of the 65 remaining things.
For the typical live 1/2nl game in Vegas what do u guys think it takes to crush the game for $20/hr...knowing the 25 fundamental things plus the 10 more or could it be as little as five more? tks.
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