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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

08-31-2015 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
So the skill gap is huge because...


Rate gap? Though poorly written, I am assuming you're referring to 2/5 as higher win rate.

So higher win rate because of fewer shallow stacks makes 2/5 harder?


So there are more winners in 2/5 games, therefore the game is harder?

Wouldn't it mean that the game is easier if there are more winners?



Wait, wouldn't that be building a case that 1/2 is harder?



So it's easy to win the first 100bb of effective stack, but not to much for 200bb, and therefore the game is harder?



Do you not understand that sit-n-go is very different than cash game?

Bottom line, you have presented zero coherent thought as to how the skill gap between two games is pretty big.
and if you were a teacher marking his exam paper, this would be a problem.
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08-31-2015 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
and if you were a teacher marking his exam paper, this would be a problem.
IMO, best way to learn is to examine each post and question whether you can answer every aspects of the underlying questions.
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08-31-2015 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
No reason to quit completely Dan.

Maybe after a break, you'll join the once a week club like a few of us others. By limiting your play you may retain a sustainable passion for it
+1

Limiting my poker to just once a week really makes me enjoy the time at the table, win or lose.

But, each to his own. If you're not enjoying your time at the table, then definitely look into different hobbies.

Ggoodluck!G
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08-31-2015 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
I thought Miller's number was high, but I guess it is possible for an "average winning player" to go on a $30,000.00 downswing playing 2/5. I know a good 2/5 player who won 4k over 10 days, then lost 5k over ~10 days, etc., etc.
I'm not familiar with where Miller wrote this, but when I saw what you wrote here, I was like "wait... what?". So I had to hit the calculator a bit....

Worst possible 3 SDV downswings for assumed True WRs and SDVs:

WR 20/hr, SDV 120/hr, ($1,901) in 95 hours (1-2 crusher numbers, obv)
WR 30/hr, SDV 300/hr, ($6,750) in 225 hours
WR 15/hr, SDV 500/hr, ($37,500) in 2500 hours

gl marginally winning SLAGs!
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08-31-2015 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
IMO, best way to learn is to examine each post and question whether you can answer every aspects of the underlying questions.
I understand that and it has merits. But picking faults in other strategies only gets you half way there
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08-31-2015 , 03:46 PM
Don't expect me to share the other half.
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08-31-2015 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
And how would you know, spending your time on 2+2 averaging 12.25 posts per day?
12.25 posts per day is pretty pathetic, IMO.


gIAmAveragingOnly12.21PostsPerDayg
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09-01-2015 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Don't expect me to share the other half.
sharemywife.com?
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09-01-2015 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by zuneit
And how would you know, spending your time on 2+2 averaging 12.25 posts per day?
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
12.25 posts per day is pretty pathetic, IMO.


gIAmAveragingOnly12.21PostsPerDayg
Parker's been doing it for 2 1/2 years - you're still working on your first

= zuneit trying to be funny.
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09-01-2015 , 01:50 AM
^richard is a great troll

August has ended and i just hit 1k hours in my local game today, up 23k at 1-2 with 2months break even. Game is closer to a 2-5 then a 1-2 thought
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09-01-2015 , 01:57 AM
So, my 6 six month results are in & as dismal as they may be, I shall post them anyways:

This is all 1/2 NLHE
Since 28Feb, I've logged 667.24 hours of play. That's actually sitting at the table.
I've averaged $14.62 per hour with a standard deviation of 98.008 BB.

I've won 62.11% of my sessions.

Total earned profit $9754.00 Plus some 2k+ in promotion money.

I've had 3 losing months since I started playing an average of 110 hrs a month in July 2014. I wish I had got a session logger back then.

I refuse to play more than 110 hours, because I did not retire to go to work full time. So, I could really use a clue [or two or three] on how to get that average to $19. Right now it floats betweens $14 & $18 depending on where I'm at in my up or down swing.

I am comfortable, financially, with the $15 pr hr subsidizing my other income. However, it would be nice to bag another $4 * 110 hrs * 12 months = $5280.00
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09-01-2015 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
So, my 6 six month results are in & as dismal as they may be, I shall post them anyways:

This is all 1/2 NLHE
Since 28Feb, I've logged 667.24 hours of play. That's actually sitting at the table.
I've averaged $14.62 per hour with a standard deviation of 98.008 BB.

I've won 62.11% of my sessions.

Total earned profit $9754.00 Plus some 2k+ in promotion money.

I've had 3 losing months since I started playing an average of 110 hrs a month in July 2014. I wish I had got a session logger back then.

I refuse to play more than 110 hours, because I did not retire to go to work full time. So, I could really use a clue [or two or three] on how to get that average to $19. Right now it floats betweens $14 & $18 depending on where I'm at in my up or down swing.

I am comfortable, financially, with the $15 pr hr subsidizing my other income. However, it would be nice to bag another $4 * 110 hrs * 12 months = $5280.00
7bb an hour isn't dismal at all. You're most likely a top 5% player at your stakes in your room. Congratulations!

I don't play 1/2 any more but when I did, the single most important improvement I made to increase my win rate was to improve (enlarge) my value bet sizing.
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09-01-2015 , 02:12 AM
Thanks for the advice! Friday night a good friend of mine who was dealing at my table gave me a scolding look when I made a weak value bet on the river.

I mentioned it to my friend sitting on my left, who later showed me what a true value bet on the river is. It was so thin, that when he got called, he said: "All I've got is two pair." And, it was 1st & 3rd pair at that on a 3 str8 & flush board HU. Runner, runner flush though.
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09-01-2015 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kekeeke
^richard is a great troll

August has ended and i just hit 1k hours in my local game today, up 23k at 1-2 with 2months break even. Game is closer to a 2-5 then a 1-2 thought
Smart players recognize value. Bad players think I speak gibberish.
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09-01-2015 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
So, my 6 six month results are in & as dismal as they may be, I shall post them anyways:

This is all 1/2 NLHE
Since 28Feb, I've logged 667.24 hours of play. That's actually sitting at the table.
I've averaged $14.62 per hour with a standard deviation of 98.008 BB.

I've won 62.11% of my sessions.

Total earned profit $9754.00 Plus some 2k+ in promotion money.

I've had 3 losing months since I started playing an average of 110 hrs a month in July 2014. I wish I had got a session logger back then.

I refuse to play more than 110 hours, because I did not retire to go to work full time. So, I could really use a clue [or two or three] on how to get that average to $19. Right now it floats betweens $14 & $18 depending on where I'm at in my up or down swing.

I am comfortable, financially, with the $15 pr hr subsidizing my other income. However, it would be nice to bag another $4 * 110 hrs * 12 months = $5280.00
If you're playing with players who buy in as short stacks, then it's going to be difficult. You can't win money that isn't on the table. Big win rates at 1/2 require deep games.
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09-01-2015 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
I had 2000 hours of 10/bb per hour, followed now by ~400 hours of twilight zone alternate universe type of running.

Spoiler:
Turning it around?

Spoiler:
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09-01-2015 , 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZuneIt
So, my 6 six month results are in & as dismal as they may be, I shall post them anyways:

This is all 1/2 NLHE
Since 28Feb, I've logged 667.24 hours of play. That's actually sitting at the table.
I've averaged $14.62 per hour with a standard deviation of 98.008 BB.

I've won 62.11% of my sessions.

Total earned profit $9754.00 Plus some 2k+ in promotion money.

I've had 3 losing months since I started playing an average of 110 hrs a month in July 2014. I wish I had got a session logger back then.

I refuse to play more than 110 hours, because I did not retire to go to work full time. So, I could really use a clue [or two or three] on how to get that average to $19. Right now it floats betweens $14 & $18 depending on where I'm at in my up or down swing.

I am comfortable, financially, with the $15 pr hr subsidizing my other income. However, it would be nice to bag another $4 * 110 hrs * 12 months = $5280.00
These are GREAT results!
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09-01-2015 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
I am comfortable, financially, with the $15 pr hr subsidizing my other income. However, it would be nice to bag another $4 * 110 hrs * 12 months = $5280.00
These results aren't dismal, they are rockstar level.

I have zero idea what your play is like or what your tables are like. But, a couple typical things that winning players can do to boost their winrate 1 or 2 BB per hour:

1) does your room offer any cash back promos? One of my rooms let's me cash in reward points based on hours of play. It's not much, but it's something.

2) can you find one hand per hour where you can steal the blinds from button rather than let the sb and bb chop? if you can, that's $3 per hour right there.

3) can you find one spot per session where you can value bet thin rather than check the river? Example, last night, there was one hand where I had second pair on a K hi board at river but I was really sure that villain hand an under pair and would fold to any real show of strength. The pot was like $70 at the river and I led out for $10 OOP and was called.
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09-01-2015 , 12:23 PM
+1 to all the comments regarding 7.3 bb/hr being anything but dismal.

AllJackedUp, what leaks do you think you identified at the bottom of your graph?

G2bb/hrwinnerin2015,truestoryG
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09-01-2015 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
+1 to all the comments regarding 7.3 bb/hr being anything but dismal.

AllJackedUp, what leaks do you think you identified at the bottom of your graph?

G2bb/hrwinnerin2015,truestoryG
Pride, mostly, in starting hand selection -- thinking I could play ATC in a bunch of spots where I can't.

Pride, again, regarding seat/table selection. I've been actively moving seats or games rather than just saying "f it, I'll just outplay this super loose player on my left." There has been at least two instances where I left the casino when games are bad rather than saying "f it, I'll outplay these guys." (the latter is still a leak, but I'm improving at it).

A couple other little tweaks that are table dependent, but those two a the top were the biggest leaks I've developed over the past six months IMO.
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09-01-2015 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp

3) can you find one spot per session where you can value bet thin rather than check the river? Example, last night, there was one hand where I had second pair on a K hi board at river but I was really sure that villain hand an under pair and would fold to any real show of strength. The pot was like $70 at the river and I led out for $10 OOP and was called.
Nice.

Getting thin value is huge. I find myself identifying spots more and more on the river where I have TP or a ****ty two pair and I am pretty sure my reg. villian has a ****ty top pair at best that he plans to fold to any modest bet from me. But give him 4-1 or 5-1 and he will make the crying call. Those $30 bets add up in the long run. But you gotta be sure he isn't capable of sensing weakness and bluff raising. Then the whole plan gets turned on it's head and you hemorhage money.
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09-01-2015 , 03:01 PM
Love thin value when backdoor flush or straight gets there. Added bonus, other players at table think you're an idiot for betting when it's obvious you shouldn't be betting without the nuts.
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09-02-2015 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
These results aren't dismal, they are rockstar level.

I have zero idea what your play is like or what your tables are like. But, a couple typical things that winning players can do to boost their winrate 1 or 2 BB per hour:

1) does your room offer any cash back promos? One of my rooms let's me cash in reward points based on hours of play. It's not much, but it's something.

2) can you find one hand per hour where you can steal the blinds from button rather than let the sb and bb chop? if you can, that's $3 per hour right there.

3) can you find one spot per session where you can value bet thin rather than check the river? Example, last night, there was one hand where I had second pair on a K hi board at river but I was really sure that villain hand an under pair and would fold to any real show of strength. The pot was like $70 at the river and I led out for $10 OOP and was called.
Yeah if you really want an extra $10 or $20 once in a while make a very tiny river bet that will get called by worse. Curiousity pays off.

Also, how often do you stop betting top pair when it is no longer top pair on the turn? I see a lot of people miss a bet or two in spots like this.

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09-02-2015 , 02:38 AM
To make a generalization of the skill gap in 1/2 and 2/5 being "huge" is silly. Either your local room has very few 2/5 games running 24/7 or you just have purposeful terrible game selection. Both have a plethora of fishcakes.
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09-02-2015 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize
To make a generalization of the skill gap in 1/2 and 2/5 being "huge" is silly. Either your local room has very few 2/5 games running 24/7 or you just have purposeful terrible game selection. Both have a plethora of fishcakes.

there's a large skill gap between the 1/2 and 2/5 games in my casino.

2/5 is the largest hold em game in the room, only two or a maximum of three tables run and a 2/5 table often has 3 or 4 players at a table who would each easily be the best 1/2 player in the room if they played those stakes

doesn't mean it's not beatable at all...far from it, but the game plays a lot differently and a far superior level of poker knowledge and skills are needed to beat it, compared to the ones needed to beating 1/2
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