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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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08-12-2015 , 09:48 AM

#9951

Warsaw12

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 71

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

Nice troll

Was not a troll.

The rake in 99% of cases makes more then a players hourly rate so I don't know what your trying to say?

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08-12-2015 , 10:26 AM

#9952

DonkeyCopter

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,320

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Originally Posted by Warsaw12

Was not a troll.

The rake in 99% of cases makes more then a players hourly rate so I don't know what your trying to say?

He was being cheeky and thought it was obvious and then you were serious and he thought you knew he was being cheeky and were being serious as a level.

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08-12-2015 , 10:56 AM

#9953

spikeraw22

The Situation

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 8,741

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Originally Posted by Warsaw12

Was not a troll.

The rake in 99% of cases makes more then a players hourly rate so I don't know what your trying to say?

If they take $150 off the table/per hour doesn't mean they're taking $150 from each player's stack. If you never win a pot, you never pay rake. The rake will hurt players who win more pots more than players who win fewer pots. Unless you can quantify how many pots and how big you win per hour you won't be able to answer that question.

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08-12-2015 , 11:06 AM

#9954

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,128

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Originally Posted by suited fours

Let's assume a TAG ($14/$12) has a WR of $20/hr at $1-$3 with a $5 rake. If nothing else about his game changed except the rake was changed to $7, how much would his WR go down in the short term? (ignoring any and all theoretical effects such as player pool getting poorer due to the higher rake or people switching venues, or people adjusting ranges due to the rake) Asked another way, how many "pots>$60" per hr does this player take down?

How much does the answer change if the player is vpip/pfr $24/$20?

Serious questions. I've never analyzed this question, but I would guess somebody has decent estimates based upon data collected from live games.

My *guess* would be two pots per hour (fair assumption?) x $2 extra = $4 per hour off the winrate at this increase, give or take.

GjustaguessG

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08-12-2015 , 11:11 AM

#9955

de4df1sh

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 6,893

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Originally Posted by DonkeyCopter

He was being cheeky and thought it was obvious and then you were serious and he thought you knew he was being cheeky and were being serious as a level.

I think he was going for the mythical double-check-raise-level!

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08-12-2015 , 11:14 AM

#9956

de4df1sh

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Originally Posted by spikeraw22

Not quite true,

because the money taken out of OTHER players stacks is money that WE can no longer win either.

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08-12-2015 , 11:17 AM

#9957

spikeraw22

The Situation

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 8,741

i suppose thats true but im not trying to get too in depth with this one.

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08-12-2015 , 11:30 AM

#9958

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

When you are getting trolled left and right, you should realize that your questions aren't that good.

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08-12-2015 , 01:24 PM

#9959

OvertlySexual

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,089

I am happy to report that after 161 hours of 2/5 this year, I am making 38 cents per hour, which does make me a confirmed winner.

I am however preparing to send my resume to a sweatshop, so I can get a raise.

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08-12-2015 , 01:42 PM

#9960

Richard Parker

banned

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.38/hr could just be variance and you're actually a big loser.

Don't celebrate too fast.

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08-12-2015 , 02:02 PM

#9961

andees10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

.38/hr could just be variance and you're actually a big loser.

Don't celebrate too fast.

Your level of misery is impressive

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08-12-2015 , 02:07 PM

#9962

Richard Parker

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Right, because I care about what poker players think are sign of happiness.

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08-12-2015 , 02:32 PM

#9963

OvertlySexual

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,089

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

.38/hr could just be variance and you're actually a big loser.

Don't celebrate too fast.

Usually sarcasm works best when you re punching up not when punching down to a person who's already self-deprecating.

But naw, I am not worried, overall I am winning at 8.3 bb per hour.

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08-12-2015 , 02:37 PM

#9964

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Never quite understand why people call river then shows their loser...sympathy?

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08-12-2015 , 02:41 PM

#9965

bg's582

enthusiast

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 58

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Right, because I care about what poker players think are sign of happiness.

Why are you so angry all the time? Life needs happiness and rainbows more then hatred and tornado's.

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08-12-2015 , 03:03 PM

#9966

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Anger takes a lot of energy and shuts down the mind, far too -EV for someone like me to be.

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08-12-2015 , 03:23 PM

#9967

suited fours

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie

Funny this came up as I've been listening to an old Limon podcast from last year about PokerStars' rake increase. He makes a good point where rake increases filter out the marginal regs/pros, thus making a game MORE profitable for the top of the food chain.

This is working under the assumption that recreational players won't care about rake increases and will still play the game.

There are no solid #'s to back the theory up, but it is food for thought.

I agree, seems like a very good point. Jacksonville FL rakes $2 if you take down the blinds preflop at 2-5 and their full $5+$2 rake hits at $40 pot. From my lol sample size of 4 long sessions there, pro/table ratio looked really low.

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08-12-2015 , 03:27 PM

#9968

sungar78

old hand

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,201

Win rate for last 13hrs or so of 200nl (since Aug 4th) has been $216.48/hr. Is this sustainable?

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08-12-2015 , 03:27 PM

#9969

DeathCabForTootie

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Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,722

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Never quite understand why people call river then shows their loser...sympathy?

Pretty much. It represents 99% of the coolers you hear/read about and they're beats that are almost always avoidable.

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08-12-2015 , 03:29 PM

#9970

suited fours

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

My *guess* would be two pots per hour (fair assumption?) x $2 extra = $4 per hour off the winrate at this increase, give or take.

GjustaguessG

*shrug* seems high to me, but idk, I've never charted hand by hand live results, and I don't know off the top of my head how many hours one would need to chart for a reasonable sample.

I'd guess softness of games and stack depth can easily make up for a couple of extra bucks of rake.

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08-12-2015 , 03:34 PM

#9971

suited fours

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

Quote:

Originally Posted by suited fours

And they charge for everything including soda. No comps. No casino. No valet.

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08-12-2015 , 03:38 PM

#9972

suited fours

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

Quote:

Originally Posted by OvertlySexual

On the bright side, cooler somebody in your next hand for 100bb's and you'll increase your WR for the period by nearly 1000%.

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08-12-2015 , 03:40 PM

#9973

suited fours

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

Quote:

Originally Posted by sungar78

Win rate for last 13hrs or so of 200nl (since Aug 4th) has been $216.48/hr. Is this sustainable?

As long as you're willing to put your thumb on the scale, yes!

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08-12-2015 , 04:09 PM

#9974

sungar78

old hand

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,201

Quote:

Originally Posted by suited fours

On the bright side, cooler somebody in your next hand for 100bb's and you'll increase your WR for the period by nearly 1000%.

Can confirm, this is an incredible way to boost your win rate.

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08-12-2015 , 04:25 PM

#9975

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,128

Quote:

Originally Posted by suited fours

I'd guess softness of games and stack depth can easily make up for a couple of extra bucks of rake.

It's kinda sickening to think of the extra money being taken off the table with *just* a $2 increase in rake. Over a 8 hour session, that's upwards of ~$480 extra money that we don't have available to be won.

But yeah, softness of games is the key to how big of an affect this has.

GcluelessrakenoobG

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