Have you never experienced how most of table feel about someone who hit-and-run?

Imagine that same guy lingering around the room and doing it over and over.

If you want someone creating that kind of negative vibe in your room, you obviously hate happiness.

Know what else I hate? Winning players sitting at my table.

Dude is simply asking a strategy question. If his strategy isn't a winning formula, or way less +EV than another strategy, then by all means, dump on it.

GimoG

Wait, so we are here to help other people make more money?

This whole time I thought we are here to help ourselves make more money...I have been doing it wrong then.

Dude isn't helping anyone but himself with his antics, why would I even think about helping him?

And FWIW, he's creating -EV environment in the room...is that enough to dump on it?

One man's antics is another man's strategy. He's simply asking if its a viable one and how it compares to the alternative. No one has offered a response on this at all, only "I'd hate to have you at my table/room you douchebag, please go away".

Gnotsurewhyyou'regettingbentouttashapeoverthis?G

Gnotsurewhyyouthinkpeopleshouldactuallyrespondtohi squestionG

But hey, rather than investing the energy to dump on me, why don't you do it?

I have no 2/5 experience at all, nor short stack strategy experience. I'm not the guy. Maybe there's someone else out there with x hours of shortstacking at 2/5 versus y hours of normal play at 1/2 who can shed some light.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Keeping the fish entertained and enjoying themselves is a pretty big concern. If the whales leave because the players they're sitting with are nasty to them, or boring, or hit and run artists, or anything else that makes the game "not fun", then we've all lost. I've personally seen some of the idiot regs berate a gigantic whale for sucking out on them, calling him an idiot, moron, awful player, etc, until they ran him completely out of the local games. Now he's gone and not donating $1k/night at a $1/2 game.

Tapping on the tank is bad for everybody. It's not a strategy question.

Thanks for spelling it out. I thought it was obvious to those who post in these forums, but I guess not.

Any casino I've played in make you either wait three hours or sit at the new table with the full stack you left your old table with so you'd either have to play 100bb ish deep like a normal person or leave the casino which would be a pretty big waste of time imo so no shortstack hit n run play doesn't work live, not to mention you'd massively annoy the fish you're targeting and potentially drive them away. I've only played in the UK though, not sure what the rule is on table switching and the stack you have to take with you state side.

I understand the tapping-on-the-tank issues, and obviously it is in all of our winrate interests (including OPs) to foster a good environment. OP didn't say exactly how he was going to go about his double-up-and-then-table-hop-while-ratholing; hopefully he does this in as tasteful / inconspicuous / friendly / keep-the-fish-happy manner as possible (not to mention legal regarding the ratholing). A few have already commented on how this strategy looks to others, so OP should certainly be aware of this issue now if he isn't already and take that into consideration.

However, his question is *clearly* a strategy question (is shortstacking 2/5 going to produce a longer long term winrate than playing normal at 1/2), a question he has posted in the winrates thread for feedback. No one has addressed that question. My guess is that no one will since I doubt many (any?) of us here shortstack / hit&run, so we don't have any sample size to compare results.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Come on...

And we are telling him that it's -EV to the room.

Is it not as much a "strategy" response as original question was a "strategy" question?

I mean, the fact that you are arguing about all this, you should be able to accept "-EV to the room" as a legitimate response to his question.

Fake wj94 ... here every casino I've played in you have to wait a hour. 3 hours is ******ed. The rule for chipping up/down when moving tables varies by room. Usually you have to bring everything. Sometimes I've seen where they let you chip down if it's a forced move from a broken table.

No, they will not adjust properly. Potential hourly at 2/5 would be higher.

You took a bit too long to start playing 2/5 but don't start taking shots at 10/10 even when you feel it's like a freeroll. Just focus on 2/5.

There is nothing wrong with short stacking and nothing wrong with hitting and running. This is a cash game and you can buy-in for whatever amount you want within the limit and leave whenever you want. If this is somehow "hurting the game" then the casino should change its rules and buy-in limits.

Good advice. I just experienced my first beat down at 2/5 last night (negative var?) and the swing left me a tad sick to my stomach.

Agree, most have a 1 hour rule. I've seen some 30 minute rules. MDL doesn't allow you to move more than the max buyin.

No way would short stacking 2/5 bring in a better win rate than full stack 1/2. The struggle with switching tables efficiently just one of the reasons.

It might be 2 hours not 3 but it's definitely not any less than that. Tbh in the 5/6 casino's I've played in I've never seen more than 3 NL tables running at once, normally no more than 1 1/1 game and 1 1/2 game, you'd have to go to 2/3 different casino's per night to shortstack hit n run.

Hi guys.
Which kind of poker variant has a potential for the highest $/hr winrate?
I know it's limit and volume dependant but I'm kind of looking for a pretty broad answer anyway



examples:
NLH cash
PLO cash
8Game cash
other cash
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NLH MTTs
NLH Turbo MTTs
NLH Hyper Turbo MTTs
NLH SnGs
NLH Turbo SnGs
NLH Hyper Turbo SnGs
NLH Fifty50 SnGs
other MTTs
other SnGs

How good are you?

Shortstacking in your regular game is pretty much the best way to limit your profit. Double ups are nice, but lets figure out how often you can get it in with your range and win in a live setting.

Also agree with RP and wj94. You have to deal with a ton of negative vibes as a hit and run short stacker. And if you don't put being a player others want to play with as one of your priorities then you are doing it very wrong.

i really think cash plo is a gold mine, but i have no personal experience with it (idk how to play plo). there is no plo in my city but a few "good" regs fly to vegas/drive 4 hours often just to play it

Iv been asking the same question, but honestly the answer is which games have the worse players and run consistantly,,,Every O8 game I play there is always multiple dummies, youll see hands that you cant understand,, the worst call iv ever seen in my life was by some lady was in (LO8) on a AK5 flop she over called with JJ77 no draw I didnt even have the words...I dont see these same blantant mistakes as often in NLHcash, sngs, MTTs to some exetent and PLO as well.....So i know cash games are more consistant so Ill say the easiest format is O8 cash

Raheem!

O8 is probably the best especially if you can find PL or NL.