Like deez(I think?) Said before, it depends on who you are record keeping for. If it is for yourself then do what you'd like

Right, just curios what others think about it.

Perfect timing too since I was already planning on taking some 2/5 shots.

If you are just keeping track for yourself you could make a case that the High hand was paid from rake you paid, you could also make a case that it was a bonus and was not actually earned from poker skill and skews win rate.

My suggestion is to add 50% of it to your log

Gl 2/5

Thanks!

I stuck a small amount in my wallet and the rest in my roll. I like your 50% suggestion, I'll use that when a win a couple more tonight 😉

Winrate for me is an indicator of how well I'm playing. Promo money and rakeback is related but different, I add that to session winnings at the end of the year to see what I've made from poker altogether.

I just add it back into my roll since it comes from the table anyway, in principle. I make a note in poker journal for that session. It's up to you of course, but if you pay $1 drop per pot for bonuses like where I play, I see no problem with just adding it back.

Every time this comes up I say the same thing. The best and easiest way is to record high hand bonuses, rakeback, and jackpots as a separate category at the time you win them. That way when you look back through your records you can choose to include them in whatever analysis you're going to do if you want, or exclude them if you want. The more accurate the data the better.

I put all these types of winnings in the database under a category I have labeled as "promo". This makes it easy to see how much I make at each stake by filtering but also keeps the promo money as part of my overall $/hr.

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My friend is wondering if this game is beatable.

Most ppl is a little more than $100 deep. The game itself is soft with lots of bad players.

My friend beats 10NL online over a good sample and he plays ABC tight. No doubt that he beats these players if rake wasent this high. But with the insane rake do you guys really think this game is beatable enough for it to even be worth it?

You didn't mention the rake or the stakes.

Just assuming this is like 1/2 type level and the rake is somewhere like 5+1 yeah you can beat this game but probably not for a sack of money.

The rake and stakes are in the thread title:

"Soft $1/$1 10% rake, $10 cap beatable?"

It appears this was a merged thread.

Ahh I see that now, on my phone the title was not displayed.

I still think this game is beatable if players are bad and GII often and you are the best player in the casino. Even 1 or 2 other solid players at a table like this( lol wat are they dewin?!) can probably turn winrate into -/0

HOWEVER on a risk adjusted basis this game is not worth playing with the intention of creating income IMO.

No. Probably not.

How often are players getting stacks in? If they're punting off $100 stacks every couple of hands and you can get into spots $300+ deep then you might be OK. But all those small <$100 pots where you're paying max % rake are going to kill you.

Soft $1/$1 table with 10% rake, $10 cap.

My friend is wondering if this game is beatable.

Most ppl is a little more than $100 deep. The game itself is soft with lots of bad players.

My friend beats 10NL online over a good sample and he plays ABC tight. No doubt that he beats these players if rake wasent this high. But with the insane rake do you guys really think this game is beatable enough for it to even be worth it?

Not beatable. Would not play. Isn't beating 10NL online the equivalent of winning at 2/5 nowadays?

If my experience is anything to go by, 25/50c 6 max online is tougher than 5/5 live

Utterly different games though.

I don't see how. I play 1/2 with a $6 rake, $1 bad beat.
My dog ate my phone a few months ago & I bought a new poker tracking software that also tracks your dealer tips.

Since I downloaded it, I've played 137 hours. With a win rate of $15 pr hr, that's $2055.00

I've paid $190.00 in tips. At this rate, the player tips 9.245% of what they pocketed.

Or, you could look it as 190/[$2055+$190] = 8.46% of your winnings goes to tips. I'm stingy with my tipping. If I see a $100 profit from a hand, I only tip $1.00. I don't tip $2 unless I profit ~$200.00

It's all that $1 tipping when you only win $20.00 that runs it up to 8.46%, along with your variance.
Pretty rough when you win $500, tip say 4% when you figure a $1 tip on a $20 profit is 5%. So it you win $12 & tip $1, that's close to 10%.

Then you lose the $500 [winning a few hands along the way & tipping] and then win the $500 back, tipping along the way again...........

Gotta' get good enough to kill the 1/2 game at a rate of $25 pr hour before you deduct for your tips.

If you don't have a tracking software & are interested in just how much tipping costs you. Start playing with 20 $1 chips in your pocket, tip with those & see where you stand profit/loss wise when you don't have any more tips in your pocket.

If you don't go on a rush of a good/bad run, you should begin to get a sense of what it costs you. Especially if you're one of those who wins $300 & wants to celebrate with the dealer & give them $5.00

At least use a believable excuse.

A tree fell on the trunk of my car and my homework is locked inside

It's more likely a Kangaroo stole it.

A koala ate it imo

I should have said: 6 month old chocolate lab, who, along with the phone, ate my $175 pair of prescription glasses & my wife's. Chewed up the couch. Runs off with the remote.......we basically have to pick up behind us when we leave or she runs off with it to get our attention. AND: She's graduated from obedience training school

If you don't believe me now........I really don't give a rat's ass.

the koala is on the barbie

bored so playing with my Poker Dominator

the last two years to March, I've been

minus $71ph from 15th Aug to 15th Oct
plus $66ph for all other times

Bip, what are the odds that I'm cursed for those two months and should just sit them out in 2015?