Bingo. And these win rates come after rake and tips.

It's truly amazing how bad live players are to online. Last time I tried (a year ago), I could beat .05/.10 on bovada, but, to my surprise and embarrassment, could not beat .10/.25 over a small sample. I actually felt slightly outclassed there. And I beat live 1/2 and 1/3 for 6/10bbs ($20) an hour. Live players are lacking many of the fundamentals that low stakes online players, bad as they are, have.

The difference between live and online is multitabling imo. Get everyone to one table and it becomes as bad as live.

When you figure the tags are 6 tabling and the fish 1 or 2, ya I can see how that effs up the ratio.

Um, not this. The stat of bb won / 100 hands is not affected by the number of tables that you are playing.

Well it is a little because you have to give up +EV spots that require more concentration/observation if you're playing a lot of tables.

What OS meant, however, is that because grinders play many tables and fish play few, grinders occupy more space in a given poker site relative to their numbers.

Yeah, each fish seat is probably only 5-20% of each grinder's seats. Fish 2tbling, grinder 10tbling. So 10 fish that are 2tabling is 20 seats, while 10 grinders 12tabling is 120 seats for example.

Crazy thing is, now that I'm thinking about it...

Assume your b&m has 10 full 1/2 tables running, so 100 seats. Even if 70 of them are occupied by competent/TAG players and the other 30 are fish, that's still likely a better ratio than online.

No way in hell 70% of tables are tag/competent players.

I'd say 20% or less.

...and I thought he was talking about lack of patience. Even fish can fold J2o when they are two tabling and getting many more hands online, and double that if they have a quick fold button.

Well aware. Just giving a worst-case example to show why there's such a difference in online vs. live cash games.

He's just saying that even if it was that bad - which I doubt anywhere is - it would still be better than any given online table.

Just had my EIGHTH straight losing night.

Wondering how the hell that is possible?

You're a fish?

Oh, and fold
[spoiler] Aces [/spoiler]
pre.

Why isn't it possible?

And the idea of you thinking that it isn't possible may be the same hurdle that's causing you to keep the streak alive.

should he increase his w/r to reduce variance?

Yes it would my trollish friend, yes it would.

I dont mean this. Online, good players play more tables, bad players play less tables. If you get the good live players to multitable live, then those games would feel reg infested as well.

Edit: what others said.

After 10-13 winning sessions, i experienced 5 losing sessions in a row. Not fun. Not fun at all. Then, i got bad beated with ahkh vs 8h9h on a qh 5h 3s flop all in an hour into my 6th session and it almost gutted me, not to mention leaving me with just 200 to play. Good thing, i came back to a 1000 night. Then, as i was leaving the casino happy, content and sleep deprived, i destroyed my car s front left side backing into a pole i hadnt seen. I am sure the bill is going to run into a couple of thou at least. So i guess its more poker on week nights to pay it off then. Not like i wont end putting something like 200 hrs of poker this month or anything!

Live poker: enjoy the roller coaster!

Lol omg this had me rolling. I dunno why, probably cuz it's something I would do.

I always feel so out of it when I leave the casino. It's like my body is tired, my mind, I almost feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I've had some close calls in the parking lot.

Better luck my friend. lolvariance

The dynamics are way different in quick-fold games. Fish, I think, tend to fold too much rather than too little in quick-fold games, so that you can bluff scary runouts with abandon. They'll just fold and wait for a better spot.

I know how you feel. I went 1800 hours at 1/3 NL without ever booking more than 4 losses in a row (which I did twice). Just snapped my record 6 session losing streak with very small back-to-back wins (56bb and 22bb), although still stuck ~800bbs over this streak (my worst ever by +300bbs).

Can't imagine the stress you mush be going thru now that it's your main bread winner.

Ggoodluck,hopeitturnsaroundsoonG

I've lost 9 in a row at 2/5 before.

I mean, I know I have played badly at times in sessions but I also know I haven't flopped a set with any low pocket pair I've had and my big pocket pairs are getting cracked. Also AK is whiffing like a MFer every time I get it.

Monday night was 9 in a row in the losing column.

The worst part is, like I never even get up $1 at any point in the session.

Screw it. Taking at least two days off to do some fantasy football drafts and going to play anywhere but Harrah's Chester on Thursday.

stay patient Chip and just make sure you're playing as close to perfectly as you know how to play

the cards will turn, you just need to make sure you squeeze every drop of value out of every hand, win the max, lose the minimum and work twice as hard

it may be my Protestant work ethic coming out, but I don't think taking two days off is the answer. I would put in short sharp sessions where you focus on every decision in every hand.

It's not actually possible to squeeze every drop of value (winning max) while losing the minimum.

You have to kind of just face the fact that during downswings, there is more value in losing less than winning more. If a spot is +EV but thin, I would skip it.