Google poker RoR (risk of ruin).

In a simple sentence: no, it is not possible.

Winning players call it a "bankroll" and they don't spend money from the roll in other things.

Losing players call it a "budget" and they do whatever they want with it.

Playing a short stack game is exactly what you don't want to do because of the variance inherit in it. Think about it...you will be getting it all in pre often with hands like AK and TT. If I only have 5 100bb buyins that is not the style I want to play.

Anyways, I would buy in for 60bbs ($120 a pop) but not play shortstack style poker i would play a lot of pots in position (mainly in limp pots) but would only put a lot of money in the pot with a nutty type hand. I would purposefully lose value in certain spots in order to avoid variance, ie throwing away AQ and even AK to preflop raises without putting a $ in the pot when ahead of villain's range.

Essentially, I'm going to steal pots when I know I can steal and I'm only going to be putting a lot of money in the middle when my opponent at best only has a handful of outs. Can't afford to get it in in marginal spots.

When I make a profit I would hit and run, change tables, take a break or whatever I need to take money off the table. The chances that I would lose my roll playing like this vs a bunch of 1/2 mouth breathers is very very low.

Hey all,

A few days ago my bankroll finally reached $6,000, which is a nice 20 bullets for my 1/3 game. I've had this goal for a while and it feels really good to reach it even though I took 290 hours to make $5,000 (lol).

At this point I want to take out half of my winnings but I'm not sure how to do it. Obviously I can't just take half from every winning session because I might win $800 and then lose $600 which would take $200 from my roll. Right now I'm considering taking half of my profits out only when I have a winning session that puts my bankroll in virgin territory. That seems obnoxious to track but it would be doable.

So yeah, I'm going for some system that 1) keeps my bankroll growing, if slower, and 2) gives me money for paying off loans and ish. How do the rest of yall "serious rec" players do this?

Why are you loling at 6bb/hr?

Wait until you get to $7,000+, cash out to $6500. Next time, you can't cash out to $7,000 once you surpass $7,500, continue this way as long as you'd like. Just a thought.

Because I know a lot of people here have much higher winrates, and the best player in the casino makes $60/hr.

The good thing is that I have a meager winrate BUT I've also identified a lot of spew and tilt and I'm improving fundamentals, so it can definitely go up. I've made ~2 grand of terrible calls which would've been 2k in my pocket if I hadn't made em.

I like this. But damn $1000 seems so far away! I'll at the very least change to this after I get to $7000.

Who cares if some people on this site have higher win rates?

You are doing really well.
Congratulations.

The vast majority of players can't even beat the rake.


Beyond that, to be honest any system that you use will have potential down falls.

What are you taking the money out for?
What are you keeping a poker roll for?
Once you know these things, it should be easier to determine what your best strategy is.

Actually I think maybe the best strategy is just take it month by month. The little benchmark strategy I proposed could cause you to play suboptimally when you get close to the benchmark for cashing out or also if you start drifting away.

When I played LHE online some people actually used a program that would not allow them to see their cashier balance or their stack at a table (which is okay for LHE if you buy in to each table with way more than necessary BBs). The idea was that you should be making every decision based on good poker and not worrying about if you're up/down whatever.

So if you don't "need" the money more often than once a month, I'd just play poker, not worry about a system, and withdraw whatever you feel good about at the end of the month.

I play live poker for a living, and have about $22k in my roll with 4 months of life expenses already put away outside of my bankroll. Would you guys say I'm rolled enough to start taking a few 100bb 5/10 shots when the lineup looks soft? I obviously would have 2/5 100bb max as my usual game

I'd look to move to a 200xbb 2/5 game

I'm moving to Cali in the fall where this type of game is attainable but in michigan we are capped.

P4MS,

I would mix in some 5/10 NL hours. 50% 5/10 NL and 50% 2/5 NL sounds good.

What you're talking about is separation of cash into bins; which is imaginary. So it dosen't matter what you do. Unless you have CC debt or something with high interest, in which case figure out if your ev from playing higher stakes with a larger roll <>= the EV of paying of your debt.

If it is available to you, I would start with playing 200bb 2/5 and encouraging rounds of straddles every time stacks are reasonably deep. Otherwise yes take the 5/T shots, you aren't ever going broke in 100bb 2/5nl with >=$15k so you can blow 7 $1k buyins no problem. Pick good spots!

I like the others suggestions about cashing out $500 at even thousand increments.

But one of the things that I do as a serious rec player is cash out small bills.

When I first started playing I'd stick around paying blinds or playing bull**** hands and leave when I had a stack evenly divisible by either $50 or $100. Bad idea. Now I just cash out whenever it's time to leave. I take the small bills ($20's and below) and stick them in my other pocket for my life roll. Win or lose, a couple of bucks are getting transferred out. Keeps me from going to the ATM for lunch money. It's worked pretty well for 3-4 years now.

Paying debt also has zero variance, which can be worth some difference in EV.

Hi guys. Related question as above. Any tips/advice or links to previous posts re: withdrawing from poker roll for life expenses when you have another job?

I did a variation of this last night. I played till 4am, went home, slept for a couple hours, and went to work. I am at work ATM and I am completely fine.

Snowball: Depends how rolled you are for the game you are playing and if you want to move up. I am way overrolled for the games I play and they aren't bigger games available in my local area so I just withdraw whenever I want to. Be sure to keep good records of your withdrawals though.

Are you planning to move up?
Are you well rolled now?
Do you actually need the money or is it just for fun?

All things to consider before making withdrawal decision.

There is only 5/5 available and the buyin is 200bbs. I currently play in the 100bbs 2/5. No other games available unless i were to drive a lot further (a bit over an hour as opposed to 15 min). I could aim to move up to the 5/5 I guess but it would only be a weekend thing probably because it doesnt get better than the 2/5 often.

Yes very well rolled for the 2/5. Need the money. Playing for living.

A guy told me once, that the only reason he liked for keeping poker $ on the side, so the IRS can't see the cash.

Besides that, no reason to have poker $ and "life" $ separate. They're the same thing. How did anyone ever start a poker roll? By playing with $0 and building it up? They took some money out of that week's paycheck and started playing.

That is awful advice, it is like saying: "why budget? I'm just gonna spend the money anyway!"

I remember hearing/reading something from Angelo that went along the lines of the only division of finances is mentally.


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I would reccomend waiting till you have 25k and setting 5k aside for 5/10.

I play for a living as well & wins/losses at my reg game don't phase me at all but having a -2k day/session while taking shots at 5/10 bothered me. Might of partially been due to the fact that was my "Biggest losing day ever"

Even though my shot taking ended positive, when I decide to play again I will set x amount aside from my "normal" bankroll. Might even just wait till I have 40 full buy ins.