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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

06-24-2014 , 01:22 PM
Between 70-80%. Currently on a 10 session winning streak, I hope this continues.
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06-24-2014 , 01:33 PM
Session length is a dominating factor in this stat (win %)... and it is more like a trivia/curiosity than anything of worth. So.. FWIW - I am at 62% over ~a couple hundred sessions, many of them 3 hours or less.
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06-24-2014 , 01:40 PM
67.6% over 225 sessions and 993 hours. The year before was around 72%. Anything over 60 is pretty solid.
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06-24-2014 , 02:18 PM
What apps are ya'll using to keep records?
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06-24-2014 , 02:29 PM
61%, only played 106 sessions tracked for average of 3.5 hours per session @ $35/hour.
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06-24-2014 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fun101
Currently on a 10 session winning streak
Nice, congrats!

G15ismyrecordG
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06-24-2014 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bip!
many of them 3 hours or less.
Hit & Run artist ITT.
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06-24-2014 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck
What apps are ya'll using to keep records?
I always thought the mark of a real man was how much crucial information he has written down on tiny scraps of paper he keeps in his wallet. That's my strategy while I'm playing. But I use that Excel thing when I get home.
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06-24-2014 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck
What apps are ya'll using to keep records?
I use iPhone's PokerJournal, plus I also keep my stats in an Excel spreadsheet.
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06-24-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy
What percent of sessions are you guys winning?
Haven't looked at that stat yet this year ... but it was about 2/3 previously.
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06-24-2014 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Hit & Run artist ITT.
... oh yeah...well... I.. uhh...
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06-24-2014 , 03:57 PM
Only 58% for me, but I play short sessions a lot. My wins are a lot bigger than my losses though and that's the bigger distinction.
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06-24-2014 , 03:59 PM
I have only 55% over my Last 158 sessions (640 hours) but a 9bb/hour Win rate. This year i'm only having 48% (41/84) but still 8bb/ hour! What does this say about my games or play style? Or is this just variance?
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06-24-2014 , 04:05 PM
% of Winning Session Stat is relatively meaningless. Anyone can achieve a high % of winning session stat just by "hit and ruhning" when they are winning a little and playing 24 hours straight until they get "unstuck." Obviously, that would be a horrendous strategy for any poker player (and will make a pro poker player busto pretty quickly).

The only numbers that really matter are: hourly win-rate, hours played, and total profit. I would actually say that hourly win-rate is also an over-rated statistic because I know a lot of poker players who artificially inflate their hourly win-rate by taking long breaks when games are just average and/or table-changing and casino-hopping like madmen for very marginal win-rate improvements that actually hurt their total profit per session significantly.

it is pretty hilarious to see people "pause" their smartphone live poker tracking apps when they are walking around the casino when the game slows down and/or is short-handed...just because they refuse to play if the action isn't red hot and/or there isn't a full 9-handed table. These are the same deluded individuals who fancy themselves "pros" when they are really wannabees.

If you are a top-notch live pro, you should probably only care about high-quality hours played and total profit per session/month/year. Everything else is smoke and mirrors...even hourly win-rate.
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06-24-2014 , 04:09 PM
As bip! says, session winrate boils down to average session length. Take a lifetime winning player, and if that player only played 1 session with length of lifetime hours, they'd have a 100% session win percentage (assuming we're still on our A game in our 10,000th consecutive hour and we are allowed pee breaks). Break that lifetime length into 2 or 3 or 10 parts, probably ditto. Opposite is also true, as if we're pulling a lotta short sessions then short term variance can easily destroy those individual sessions.

Gwhat,nopeebreakson10,000hoursessions?brutalG
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06-24-2014 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ATsai
The only numbers that really matter are: hourly win-rate, hours played, and total profit. I would actually say that hourly win-rate is also an over-rated statistic because I know a lot of poker players who artificially inflate their hourly win-rate by taking long breaks when games are just average and/or table-changing and casino-hopping like madmen for very marginal win-rate improvements that actually hurt their total profit per session significantly.
Yup. When the great Friday/Saturday night hours are over and it's 5am and the game's dying, do you have somewhere to be at 6am on a Sunday? You're hourly will hurt if you stay for another 3-4 hours, but if you make $20 over those 4 hours, you have $20 more than you would have otherwise.
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06-24-2014 , 09:41 PM
Yes but McDonald's would have stopped servin quarter pounders and I'd have to get one of those nasty breakfast burrito things.
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06-24-2014 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Nice, congrats!

G15ismyrecordG
Do you include breakeven sessions in your streak?

And McDonalds breakfasts are awesome.
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06-25-2014 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
Yup. When the great Friday/Saturday night hours are over and it's 5am and the game's dying, do you have somewhere to be at 6am on a Sunday? You're hourly will hurt if you stay for another 3-4 hours, but if you make $20 over those 4 hours, you have $20 more than you would have otherwise.
I agree in part, but not sure this is quite the right way to think of it. There's an opportunity cost associated with literally everything. Even if the cost is just missing out on some sleeping, odds are that affects some stuff the next day. And if you're a pro, that's potentially affecting your game the next day. But I agree in principle that it's much, MUCH more about money earned than hourly rate.
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06-25-2014 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fun101
Do you include breakeven sessions in your streak?
I've only ever had one breakeven session (i.e. exactly $0), although I recently shipped a $1 session. It doesn't really matter, this streak stuff is just for fun anyways, but a breakeven session is a breakeven session, not a winning session, not a losing session. So if it occurs in the middle of a winning streak then my suggestion is that your winning streak would be over but your unbeaten streak would not be (and ditto if it occurred in the middle of a losing streak).

GimoG
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06-25-2014 , 06:29 PM
Hi all I'm an italian pro and I start playing online for living at the end of 2010.
Two month ago I figured out to start playing live cash games at the casino mainly for 3 reasons: first I love play live, second I think in live games there are the biggest whale and third the online gmes became more complex year after year.
I have a consistent roll 200k€+ and I'm player nl200/nl400 online hu cash but my plan is to became a live pro in about 3/4 years.
I start playing nl200 live because this is the lower stakes here in Italy and after 100h my winrates is about 25bb/h, I think there is a lot of goodrun because I miss so much value in several spots but definitely tehre are a lot of money to do.
In Italy there is 2 casinň that have only nl1k games and in these casino there are the biggest italian whale so I'm asking for a schedule for the shot at nl1k.
I'm thinking to play about 1kh at nl200 to learn about the live fishy dynamic and after go to nl500 and so on, but some friend tell me is very very too nitty so I find this 3d very cool and I hope some guy can help me
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06-25-2014 , 11:43 PM
200k BR and 25bb/hr WR.

You're too awesome for anyone here to be capable of helping you.
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06-26-2014 , 01:36 AM
A guy with 1 post w/200k br asking for a stake to play 5/10. Sounds legit.
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06-26-2014 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ATsai
% of Winning Session Stat is relatively meaningless. Anyone can achieve a high % of winning session stat just by "hit and ruhning" when they are winning a little and playing 24 hours straight until they get "unstuck." Obviously, that would be a horrendous strategy for any poker player (and will make a pro poker player busto pretty quickly).

The only numbers that really matter are: hourly win-rate, hours played, and total profit. I would actually say that hourly win-rate is also an over-rated statistic because I know a lot of poker players who artificially inflate their hourly win-rate by taking long breaks when games are just average and/or table-changing and casino-hopping like madmen for very marginal win-rate improvements that actually hurt their total profit per session significantly.

it is pretty hilarious to see people "pause" their smartphone live poker tracking apps when they are walking around the casino when the game slows down and/or is short-handed...just because they refuse to play if the action isn't red hot and/or there isn't a full 9-handed table. These are the same deluded individuals who fancy themselves "pros" when they are really wannabees.

If you are a top-notch live pro, you should probably only care about high-quality hours played and total profit per session/month/year. Everything else is smoke and mirrors...even hourly win-rate.
Yep. Hourly rate * hours played = net profit. Generally speaking, guess which one of those numbers is the easiest to increase?

Net profit is all that matters. Hourly rate is a good indicator of someone's potential or lack thereof but without any actual hours put into it that's all it is...potential.
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06-26-2014 , 01:48 AM
Your Mom had potential until I put some hours in.
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