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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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05-16-2014 , 12:51 PM

#7176

CallMeVernon

COTM Crusher

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 4,088

My first instinct is to say the smaller cap is better. The smaller rake is only better when the pot is less than $200, and it's worse when the pot is bigger. Whose winrate comes primarily from pots that are smaller than 40 big blinds?

To give some examples, if you raise preflop to $25, get called in 3 spots, bet half pot on the flop and get called, you now want the smaller cap on rake. Or if you raise preflop to $25, get called in 2 spots, bet close to the pot on the flop and get called, you now want the smaller cap on rake.

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05-16-2014 , 01:51 PM

#7177

bip!

Slow Pony

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 14,205

I would guess the 5% $14 cap - but I would say these are pretty close, so no huge error either way.

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05-16-2014 , 02:07 PM

#7178

CallMeVernon

COTM Crusher

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 4,088

I think the smaller rake would probably be better in a 1/2 game, but in a 2/5 game I think the smaller cap on rake is the winner. The question is how often the pots you win will be bigger than $200. At 1/2, probably not that often. But at 2/5, I think this would happen pretty frequently.

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05-16-2014 , 05:02 PM

#7179

thejayman

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 224

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Originally Posted by josephthepimp

Hey,

Not taking into account each individual table composition in Montreal which rake structure would be considered better. For 2/5 with a 500$ max buyin. 5/5 with a 1000$ max buyin.

10% capped at 10$ with a 1$ bbj drop at the casino. 25$ comped gift card to the top players every 2 weeks.

Or

5% capped at 14$ with a 1$ bbj drop at play ground poker. Fully comped food and drinks.

When did the casino jack up the rake?

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05-16-2014 , 08:52 PM

#7180

josephthepimp

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 862

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Originally Posted by thejayman

When did the casino jack up the rake?

A couple of weeks ago. They did it silently with no signs or anything

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05-16-2014 , 08:56 PM

#7181

josephthepimp

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 862

On 1/2 the rakes are equal and one of the places offers full comps.

I'd say that the 10$ rake gets capped a lot where as the 14$ doesn't seem to get capped as often. 10$ capped happens at 100$. The 14$ rake happens at 280$ and they don't take on split pots. I'd say the average pot is closer to 100$. As there are pots where a cbet would take it down.

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05-16-2014 , 09:32 PM

#7182

thejayman

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 224

A year ago, I had compared a few sessions of the rake at Playground (5% 14+1) to a normal 10% $5+1 rake. I averaged paying about $7.50 more per hour in rake at Playground. This was for the 2/5 $500 max. For comparing it to the Montreal casino, I'm guessing it's pretty close with the new 10% $10+1, with the casino being slightly higher.

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05-17-2014 , 01:05 AM

#7183

scourrge

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 175

Tbf, it wouldn't be that hard to just pay attention to like 1-2 hour's worth of pots to get a sense of how much the table gets raked/hour.

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05-17-2014 , 02:55 PM

#7184

Jake Stanton

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 437

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Originally Posted by josephthepimp

A couple of weeks ago. They did it silently with no signs or anything

sure hope they are paying the dealers a better salary out of the disgusting rake. i'd be forced to cut off most tips if i stuck around in that game.

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05-17-2014 , 04:47 PM

#7185

josephthepimp

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 862

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake Stanton

sure hope they are paying the dealers a better salary out of the disgusting rake. i'd be forced to cut off most tips if i stuck around in that game.

Most of the dealers walk home with 80-100k after tips. They are unionized and have a high base salary. At playground I'm not sure how much they earn but its not nearly as much as the casino dealers.

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05-17-2014 , 04:49 PM

#7186

josephthepimp

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 862

Quote:

Originally Posted by scourrge

Tbf, it wouldn't be that hard to just pay attention to like 1-2 hour's worth of pots to get a sense of how much the table gets raked/hour.

I get the sense I'm paying much more at the casino but its do table dependant
When I'm playing lag I can feel the difference as to a few weeks ago when they were taking 5% max 10$.

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05-17-2014 , 05:25 PM

#7187

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

So is a 10% $5+1 at 2/5 a goldmine when I get the BR for it?

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05-18-2014 , 02:03 AM

#7188

Cyal8rloser

banned

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 539

April: 360 hrs/18.7K profit at mostly 2/5. 25 winning session streak with no back to back losers.

May: Was up 7K little over a week into the month. Just crossed the breakeven mark yesterday to make it a losing month. 5 extremely big losing sessions in a row at 2/5(over 1.2K each time).

I'm burnt from putting in an unhealthy amount of volume last month and clearly not on A game but this level of soul crushing variance makes me question if I'm good enough to be sustaining 8-10bb/hr at 2/5.

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05-18-2014 , 02:07 AM

#7189

nutinsider

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 342

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyal8rloser

360 hours in one month? Christ

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05-18-2014 , 02:15 AM

#7190

Snowball2

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 8,640

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Originally Posted by nutinsider

360 hours in one month? Christ

Yeah that's like 13 hours a day, for 7 days of the week?

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05-18-2014 , 06:53 AM

#7191

corlath

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,196

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowball2

Yeah that's like 13 hours a day, for 7 days of the week?

Are you assuming a 4-week month?

30 total days in april, 360 hours, = exactly 12 hours a day

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05-18-2014 , 08:52 AM

#7192

1968

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,218

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Originally Posted by Cyal8rloser

What are your results prior to this?

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05-18-2014 , 10:53 AM

#7193

Pay4Myschool

Haz Chuck Norris 4 Dad

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,462

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Originally Posted by Cyal8rloser

Bro you put in 360 hours of volume in one Month !? Did I read that right?

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05-18-2014 , 12:06 PM

#7194

Cyal8rloser

banned

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 539

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968

What are your results prior to this?

Before April all my play has been online for the past year. Prior to that I grinded live but I don't have a meaningful sample size.

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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool

Bro you put in 360 hours of volume in one Month !? Did I read that right?

Yes. Tampa HR grinders can verify this. Got really sick towards the end.

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05-18-2014 , 12:29 PM

#7195

GrindPokerAllDay

banned

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,326

You're saying you had 25 straight winning sessions or 25 sessions where you never lost twice in a row?

Why at this point does it matter if you can beat the game for 8-10 bbs/hr? It's quite clear that you can beat the game. Why not put in less hours, in particular put in less hours after a losing session? You admitted that you aren't playing your A game. Your results are partially due to variance and partially due to bad play.

BTW, I don't consider $1.2k losses to be "extremely big" losing sessions.

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05-18-2014 , 01:34 PM

#7196

Serkan

stranger

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 9

im beating my local game 1/2nl at crown casino for $80/hr last 3 sessions... but usually its around $30-$40. Btw, we have a 10% rake that caps at 20 dollars here in australia which is kind of ****ty lol. also minbuyin is 40 max buyin 80. heaps of fish and old retirees chasing cards and draws you should all move down under.

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05-18-2014 , 02:29 PM

#7197

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serkan

im beating my local game 1/2nl at crown casino for $80/hr last 3 sessions... but usually its around $30-$40. Btw, we have a 10% rake that caps at 20 dollars here in australia which is kind of ****ty lol. also minbuyin is 40 max buyin 80. heaps of fish and old retirees chasing cards and draws you should all move down under.

Yep sounds legit.

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05-18-2014 , 04:25 PM

#7198

Cyal8rloser

banned

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 539

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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay

25 straight winners in a row. I had a hard time losing so if I was down a lot I would just pull a 24-30hr bender till I got unstuck. Had very few losers but when I did it was pretty significant.

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05-18-2014 , 04:29 PM

#7199

beta1607

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,587

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Originally Posted by Cyal8rloser

25 straight winners in a row. I had a hard time losing so if I was down a lot I would just pull a 24-30hr bender till I got unstuck. Had very few losers but when I did it was pretty significant.

That is absolutely horrible for your health. If you want longevity in the game or just in life you need to be a friend to yourself. I think you'll find your hourly rate go up as well

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