I am probably going to wait until I reach $20k to move up. Only at $4k now so I've got a ways to go but I'm not really in a rush. 1/2 is pretty fun right now and I'm starting to feel very comfortable with the game.

My 2014 stats and broken-necked Giraffe:




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How do you guys pull in 8hrs + per day?

I sit at the table for 4, maybe 6-8 hrs max and i'm tired or don't wanna play anymore, no matter if its a win or lose. If I lose, of course I take a break, and if I win, I don't wanna risk todays winnings at another casino or anything.

How is it you guys pull in 40 hrs + a week =/ You guys play ultra-nitty?

When it's your job/source of income you sit there. I don't think you have to play 40+ hours per week. I've been averaging 35ish. It's been a month. It's not that tough.

I probably have averaged another 10/week or more online, though. Which is hella easier.

I've only played 40 hours in a week when i've been on vacation, so lolsamplesize. But I think it's like any other job. You structure your day with poker as a part of it. Not having another "real" job to worry about/consume your energy makes it much easier.

Lol ive played 36 hrs straight. Love the game. Could play 10 hrs/day easy if i had the time

Which app is the best for tracking your live poker for iOS at the moment?

It's similar to someone who regularly works out, you get used to it.

Great question. It's person dependent, but I'd probably need an hourly of $80 to $100 to play full time so I could only play 4 hours a day because I don't think I could play 8 hours a day either and I think if I tried, I would get burnt out and eventually hate poker. Poker is fun when I can play it when I want to, but if I had to play it and especially if I had to play it 8 hours a day. I don't know how other people play, but when I play, my mind is constantly thinking and working.

Do you have a job?

Do you actually enjoy playing, or do you play just to make money?

Do you feel pressure to make a certain amount of money each week?

Often times if there are external pressure involved with playing poker (like having to support a family, pay bills, pay rent, meet staking weekly playing requirements, whatever) it makes it harder to play because even when you don't 'want' to play, you feel compelled to play.

The long story short is that if you don't have to play 8 hours a day, don't.
There's nothing that say that you need to be there that long. If you want to stick around because the games are good, then it's one thing. And you should want to be there. So playing longer sessions should be easy.
But it really comes down to, why do you feel so compelled to play an 8 hour session? What's wrong with a 6 hour session? Or a 4 hour session?

Also, get up and take breaks. After an hour, go take a 10 minute walk. It's good for your brain and it's good for your body.

Hey guys, I just started playing full time live poker, and I'm wondering what's a good sample size hours wise I need to have to see where's my hourly rate? Also what's standart\high hourly rate for 1\3 and 2\5 games? I have a 300 hour sample and somewhat high hourly rate, and just curious what's good sample size...
Thank you!

1000 is ok 2000 is better

i use to be like that also. in my 20's i'd regularly play 24 hour sessions and once played 50 hours straight. closest game was 300 mile round trip so i wasn't leaving until i won $400, went bust or falling asleep at the table.

i can't pull those long sessions anymore. lately i average 4hr session but going to start putting in longer hours soon.

For most people, burn out is a legitimate, real threat to be wary of ... so they don't become weary of poker

from what I've heard, for 1\2;1\3 games 25-30\hr that's good rate, and for 2\5 45-50 is very decent, is that right?

those are excellent win rates, not just good.

my goal for $1/$3 is $25/hr

had a reg pro (maybe still a wannabe) ask me last night how many people in our casino were playing for a living. he said 100. i said i thought that was too high.

the more i thought about it, it was WAY too high. i mean, if there are 25 tables going and 9 players per table, that's 225 players IN THE ROOM at a time. So maybe the player pool is 600? 1/6 making enough to pay bills? I don't think so.

Our room ranks players by hours ... I was barely in the top 20 since May 1 with about 70. So if only 20 players are playing about 40 hours/week, and at least five of those 20 are retirees, that really lowers the number of people earning a living at the game.

From what I've heard (Bart Hanson talks about this in one of his episodes) the player pool is roughly 8-10x the average volume of players on a Friday night.

And maybe 10% of those are profitable players.
And maybe 30% of those play for a living. But that seems too high.

Also, players like me, I have a real job. But I play 30 hours a week. Do I play for a living? Or am I rec player for the basis of this question.

So your room ranks hours players play and everyone can see that? That seems weird / not good?

Ginsanelyjealousthatyourroomhas25tablesgoing;myroo mhas5tablestotal,I'mluckyif2aregoingG

A bunch of rooms that I'm aware of rank people based on hours.
But only because they have payouts for most hours played per month and per week and the such.

The public lists are sort of a by product of that payout.

Right. Top 20 in hours every two weeks get $350. Next 20 get $150. Next 35 get $100.

A IR2M, you are in the middle ground. You are a part-time pro because you aren't playing for enjoyment or pleasure ... you are playing to supplement your income. Like I used to.

Yeah man, some of those live pros that're playing for living are sooo bad, that's crazy... Especially in my casino, out of 15-20 who's doing it for living, 2-3 are maybe good...
About winrate, I have only 300 hour sample but i have like 60\hr for 1\3 and 2\5 mixed, so I guess that's way above average, but I'm hoping to get 50\hr after 1000hr mark...

I'm at $12/hr after 300 hours at $1/2. Too early to make any inferences? I know I have quite a few leaks but I don't see $20/hr being that far off in the distance for me.

I would infer from that that you're a winning player, but you could just as easily be a lower winner experiencing some positive variance than a bigger winner experiencing negative variance. I do think it is fairly safe to say you are not a losing player on a heater.

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had a reg pro (maybe still a wannabe) ask me last night how many people in our casino were playing for a living. he said 100. i said i thought that was too high.

the more i thought about it, it was WAY too high. i mean, if there are 25 tables going and 9 players per table, that's 225 players IN THE ROOM at a time. So maybe the player pool is 600? 1/6 making enough to pay bills? I don't think so.

Our room ranks players by hours ... I was barely in the top 20 since May 1 with about 70. So if only 20 players are playing about 40 hours/week, and at least five of those 20 are retirees, that really lowers the number of people earning a living at the game.[/QUOTE]

Depends on how people define "playing for a living" or "earning a living". I've had college and grad students tell my they play for a living because it was their only source of income but they were living off student loans and Daddy dollars and poker merely provided beer money or a weekend getaway with their girlfriend. Heck if you're a college student with no expenses then 1,000/month from poker makes you feel like Richie Rich. Then there are the retirees who's homes are paid for, collect social security, and theoretically have enough saved up to not worry about money but still makes a couple grand a month playing an absurd number of hours at low stakes for the social aspect because they're lonely (visit your grandparents kids!). And of course there are guys who maybe make decent incomes at their "normal" job but make a non-trivial amount playing poker that allows them to elevate their lifestyle or pay for their kids college without debt. What about the dude who binks a tourney for 6-figures in a year where he made 60K as an accountant and has no plans to quit his day job.

There are so many shades of gray about who's a pro and who isn't.

Hey,

Not taking into account each individual table composition in Montreal which rake structure would be considered better. For 2/5 with a 500$ max buyin. 5/5 with a 1000$ max buyin.

10% capped at 10$ with a 1$ bbj drop at the casino. 25$ comped gift card to the top players every 2 weeks.

Or

5% capped at 14$ with a 1$ bbj drop at play ground poker. Fully comped food and drinks.