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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

11-27-2013 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream
Can we see one of these shorthands? We'll try to decipher at first, then you could explain?

Sometimes I'd like to write down a hand at the table, but dont want anyone knowing Im doing that.
+1

I've tried putting pen to paper, using a notes app...I have a hard time remembering cards/actions/positions as well but I think I just need to study all of those things more during the hand...so that's prob a big leak as it is. I guess during my final decision I should be more conscious of it all...drip drip drip
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11-27-2013 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
Can we see one of these shorthands? We'll try to decipher at first, then you could explain?

Sometimes I'd like to write down a hand at the table, but dont want anyone knowing Im doing that.
Read DGI's PG&C thread entitled (in part) "Not Afraid of the Nosebleeds", he actually lays out his whole shorthand in there kinda recently IIRC.
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11-27-2013 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Raidion
Sounds about right, it's not the worst beat ever, but I'm really trying to reconcile losing this much for this long to the concept of me being a decent reg at the games I play. I'm still fairly new to poker <1k hours live, and don't have a good feel for what the swings are.
I lost $3k in week ago at 2/5 over 3 sessions buying in for 400$ a time. When I look back at it most all that money was lost in 6 hands....

flopped set over set, flopped top two to villains flush draw which came on river, flopped straight to villains flopped flush, flopped nut straight flush draw to 2 villains all in's and didn't get there, and one flopped flush over flush. sometimes you just get in bad spots. plow through it. people can't have monsters forever.
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11-27-2013 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SlipperyAces
I lost $3k in week ago at 2/5 over 3 sessions buying in for 400$ a time. When I look back at it most all that money was lost in 6 hands....

flopped set over set, flopped top two to villains flush draw which came on river, flopped straight to villains flopped flush, flopped nut straight flush draw to 2 villains all in's and didn't get there, and one flopped flush over flush. sometimes you just get in bad spots. plow through it. people can't have monsters forever.
Ive been down as high as $5k playing mostly $2/5 nlhe, partly from a little bit of spewy tilt but mostly cooler spots like above. On the flip side ive been running super godlike for the last 4months with zero losing weeks, playing about 30 hrs/week. That being said, observed and researched, I think 25 buy-ins is certainly sufficient to play with. Bust that, and you've got big leaks.

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Last edited by NitroJake; 11-27-2013 at 02:22 PM.
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11-27-2013 , 02:53 PM
this monday afternoon while waiting for 2/5 i decided to play on the 1/2 where i bought in for 100$. was moved to 2/5 at exactly 30 minutes on table when I had $169. topped up $31 and sat down at 2/5 with 200$. after exactly 50 minutes on the 2/5 table cashed out for $1040. poker is swingy. it starts getting serious after you have lost $10k
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11-27-2013 , 02:56 PM
Why would you do that?
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11-27-2013 , 02:58 PM
do what?
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11-27-2013 , 03:01 PM
Why would you buy in 50bb to 1/2 then 40bb to 2/5, and then cash out after less than an hour when your image is obviously good and you're sitting on a good stack size to maximize even more profit.

Essentially you hit and run from $131 to $1040 in 90 minutes, why?

Have you stopped and considered the fact that your loss of 3k is you not ready to play 2/5?
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11-27-2013 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Why would you buy in 50bb to 1/2 then 40bb to 2/5, and then cash out after less than an hour when your image is obviously good and you're sitting on a good stack size to maximize even more profit.

Essentially you hit and run from $131 to $1040 in 90 minutes, why?

Have you stopped and considered the fact that your loss of 3k is you not ready to play 2/5?
Maybe he just got lucky and got a hot deck. I agree though if you're playing well and the table is soft, I'd stick with it for a few hours at least.
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11-27-2013 , 03:23 PM
i mean if that is all there was to it.... maybe. but like everything on here you are doing a lot of projecting on me.

i buy in for 50bb at 1/2 because i hate playing that game. all I play is 2/5 so i am pretty good at calling in about 50 mins before i get to the casino so i rarely play it. this time i showed up and was 4 down on the list with only 1 table of 2/5 so i decided to waste time that way. whatever image i had there isnt carrying to the 2/5 table.

if i don't have a player at the table who i recognize (and in turn their leaks) i like to buy in at the min for one rotation (or less if i see something crazy going on) to feel out the table. this time in particular i noticed exactly one player at the table who i happen to consider one of the best regs and the rest of the table looked very reggy (middle aged men in hoodies with those shark poker sunglasses ect) with the exception to an old guy sitting on my immediate left and an asian dude to his left.

anyway, i sit down, the second hand i see, a clear reg gets a monster bad beat where he flops a straight and the other player rivers a full house. the immediate next hand he puts in a decent raise UTG and I 3 bet with KJs get two callers and then jam at 452 flop and get called by a 43s hand which i suck out on the river when a K hits... so given the small buy in and the way i almost shipped it to 34s I think at least half the table thinks im a fish.

the two other double ups against both the asian and old man are monster river calls on scary boards with top pair against scary boards... which could be seen as soul reads or calling station kind of behavior so they arent doing much for my image.

I then bet QQ with position preflop and C-bet on a 667 flop, get called. shut down turn. and call river and guy flips over pocket 77 for about -130$.

at this point the two weakest players at the table have given up and gone home... and two other players have gotten up (the reg who steamed after i paired the river). me against the remaining players short handed isnt that much advantage and being im crushing my hourly i decide to go home.

i have a lot of sessions like this... its also probably why i have a ridiculous hourly rate for 2/5... and did i mention the 131$ to 1040$ was in a 100$ spread game. its pretty damn hot.

long story short. i work a 50 hour a day week and play 22 hours a week on the 2/5 game.

im one of the most consistent players in the poker room and with a strong win rate... i guess im not ready for 2/5... but thanks for the input.
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11-27-2013 , 04:51 PM
I think I would very much like to play in your poker room.
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11-27-2013 , 05:08 PM
its good... but jacksonville was far better
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12-03-2013 , 12:35 AM
I've started keeping track of my live play. So far I've only been playing $1/2 NLHE.

In approximately 50 hours I am up $1648. That comes to $32.96/hour.

What conclusions if any can I draw from this?

Let me know what other relevant information I can post if it would be any help.
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12-03-2013 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by August West
I've started keeping track of my live play. So far I've only been playing $1/2 NLHE.

In approximately 50 hours I am up $1648. That comes to $32.96/hour.

What conclusions if any can I draw from this?

Let me know what other relevant information I can post if it would be any help.
you definitely ran good

i dont think you can draw too many conclusions about your true win-rate. theres definitely huge whales at my 1/3 game who go on 1 month heaters where they win more than 15bb/hr
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12-03-2013 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
you definitely ran good

i dont think you can draw too many conclusions about your true win-rate. theres definitely huge whales at my 1/3 game who go on 1 month heaters where they win more than 15bb/hr
did you just call me a whale?
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12-03-2013 , 12:47 AM
yes

you and joe are whales who go on heaters
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12-03-2013 , 12:49 AM
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yes

you and joe are whales who go on heaters
joe is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.

he is on a heater, though.
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12-03-2013 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipperyAces
this monday afternoon while waiting for 2/5 i decided to play on the 1/2 where i bought in for 100$. was moved to 2/5 at exactly 30 minutes on table when I had $169. topped up $31 and sat down at 2/5 with 200$. after exactly 50 minutes on the 2/5 table cashed out for $1040. poker is swingy. it starts getting serious after you have lost $10k
lolled, so you min bought in for 2/5 and then ratholed?

not sure about your logic, you hate 1/2 so you buy in for 50bb but have a huge edge at 2/5 thus you buyin for 40bb?

hahaa
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12-03-2013 , 05:38 AM
Played more 2/5 last month (2/5 days bolded red), pretty good start. Could have ran a little better with all-in EV but I'm not complaining. Also finally downloaded pokerjournal to keep track of hours, so here's some stats from first 100 hours:



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12-03-2013 , 09:01 AM
^^^Nice stats. Always good to book a 950bb profit to start of the month. Look forward to see how December goes for you.

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12-03-2013 , 09:28 AM
Confirmed jelly
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12-03-2013 , 11:17 AM
Sick month wj94.

I have a question for you guys. Playground Poker in Montreal charges 5% up to $14+$1BBJ for 2/5 or higher. Foods and alcohol is fully comped. Do you think this game is beatable in the long term?
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12-03-2013 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fun101
Sick month wj94.

I have a question for you guys. Playground Poker in Montreal charges 5% up to $14+$1BBJ for 2/5 or higher. Foods and alcohol is fully comped. Do you think this game is beatable in the long term?
yes, but i wouldnt be playing LAG unless there was a good reason to be
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12-03-2013 , 02:55 PM
so im a college student and make about 300$ a month spending money to play poker with, would it be a good idea to just play 100$ buyins at 1$/2$ as i get the money or save up for a bankroll and go from there? As of right now im on a 4-buyin downswing and have no bankroll at all till next friday
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12-03-2013 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatFish
so im a college student and make about 300$ a month spending money to play poker with, would it be a good idea to just play 100$ buyins at 1$/2$ as i get the money or save up for a bankroll and go from there? As of right now im on a 4-buyin downswing and have no bankroll at all till next friday
Might as well play 100bb deep at 1/2 and just hope you run good. I still wouldn't short stack. You can run up a roll starting real small because 1/2 is generally very soft and low variance.

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