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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.33%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.59%
5-7.5
8 10.13%
7.5-10
15 18.99%
10+
27 34.18%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 22.78%

07-29-2013 , 12:34 AM
Hi Guys - Today is my first day on this forum. I have a few questions and I want to thank ahead of time for any help and advice. Sorry for the long post ahead of time

I learned poker during moneymakers win in 2003 but have been primarily a live player. anyway, i have played off and on since then and where i started as a winning player against really bad players I think I am more of a break even player today but i am even questioning that in the middle of a bad downswing.

1) How without all the nifty acronyms/stats offered when you play online with the fancy tools do you determine if you suck? or if you just need to wait it out?

2) I live in colorado where we can't play no-limit but instead have to play these 100$ spread games. I enjoy playing the 2/5 100 Spread and sometimes Ill play the 1/2 100 Spread. Given I imagine the Spread rolls should be lower the NL at the same levels given it can play like limit later in the hand what do you recommend they should be?
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07-29-2013 , 01:54 PM
I have roughly $700 in my bankroll and intend to play 1 session for 12 hours at my local casino. What is the best way to optimize profitability with regards to stakes/buyin? I intend to play NL holdem; my casino offers 1-2 (60 min 300 max) , 2-5 (200 min 500 max) and 5-10 (500 min 2k max). I used to play online and was a decent winner at midstakes mtts/cash games. To be clear, I want seasoned live players recomending which stakes to play and how much to buy in for. This is a hypothetical situation posed to settle a bet with a friend, so please treat it as such.
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07-29-2013 , 01:54 PM
upz, move to live low stakes nl please, thx
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07-29-2013 , 01:58 PM
1 session only? Is it a poker only $700 or $700 left to your name?

I would play $100 buy in at 1/2 and then see what happens. 12 hours is a long time and if you have to last that long then lower stakes is the best option.
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07-29-2013 , 02:01 PM
to clarify, $700 is strictly for poker, my liferoll is intact and unaffected by this.
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07-29-2013 , 02:03 PM
play the smallest stakes possible at your casino. have fun.
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07-29-2013 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketragz
play the smallest stakes possible at your casino. have fun.
+1.
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07-29-2013 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketragz
play the smallest stakes possible at your casino. have fun.
This makes sense, however, I want to know what buyin would be the most profitable. So clearly 1/2 makes sense to start, should i buy in min for $60 or max for $300? I also want to state that I am extremely comfortable playing both deepstacked and shortstacked poker.
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07-29-2013 , 02:15 PM
if you're used to playign 6 max online, 10 max live is very diff, something to consider
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07-29-2013 , 02:18 PM
Start with $100 at 200NL, depending on the game top up to the full buyin.
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07-29-2013 , 02:32 PM
If your going to have a spin - 200/200/300 at 200nl If you get up over 800 in profit, take 500 at try the 500nl if you think there's any value If you bust, rebuy for 300 into the 200nl

If your going to grind then stay in the 200nl for 12hrs

Tricky to answer not knowing your objective
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07-29-2013 , 02:42 PM
According to Tony Bigcharles you should be playing 2/4 seven card stud.
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07-29-2013 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Douglas
Start with $100 at 200NL, depending on the game top up to the full buyin.
This seems reasonable. If you run ok you should be able to grind for 12 hours. I would avoid going to 2/5, unless its the last hour or so of the 12 hours and you have previously run super hot.
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07-29-2013 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Douglas
Start with $100 at 200NL, depending on the game top up to the full buyin.
This.

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07-29-2013 , 03:08 PM
It sounds like you don't get out to the casino much and the $700 won't hurt you financially. Start with $200 at $1/2 NL and reload to $200 if you get below $50. No reason to discuss bankroll for only 1 session. Leave yourself 3 1/2 buyins and make some money!!
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07-29-2013 , 03:14 PM
Without knowing anything about you as a poker player, question is rather moot.
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07-29-2013 , 03:24 PM
I like the idea of buying in for a100$ in1-2. Play a couple of hours at 100$ and top up if you get below 50$.

Live games are a different animal than online games. Raises preflop tend to be much larger for starters. Get comfortable for a few hours and if you feel like you can handle it, top up to 300$ then.

Gl !
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07-29-2013 , 03:45 PM
WTH do not buy in for $100.

Buy in for $200 and play ABC poker and have 3 bullets. Or/also hopefully you get comfortable and can top off to $300 after a bit.

Here are some live tips, as an online 6maxer you are like horribly prepared for live 1/2.

1). Do not bluff. Like ever. I mean like aside from cbetting when heads up. There's no such thing as a scare card in 1/2. If someone has TPNK they are not folding.

2). Tighten pf range. Don't squeeze, don't 3! light, etc.

3). Basically there's zero FE. So don't bluff, but valuetown hard. I mean really hard. Take b/b/b lines with TPGK+ like always.

4). By the same token you will see less bluffs. Someone 3! you pre? That is AKs/QQ+ and with some villains KK+ only.

I mean I'm saying all of this in an exaggerated comedic manner for effect, but for the most part I'm 100% serious.

I would also recommend leaving atm card at home. First time live experiences can be especially tilting for former online players.

Best of luck. You will be amazed at what you are called down with.
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07-29-2013 , 03:59 PM
Anyone ever run a filter by winrate/hourly for weekends vs. weekdays? I live in NYC so I can only really play on the weekends, so wanted to compare my hourly to other people's weekend hourly.

I'm assuming much higher than weekday?
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07-29-2013 , 04:01 PM
Numbers are kind of unbalanced because most players, both pros and recs, would avoid weekdays.
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07-29-2013 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by food123456
I have roughly $700 in my bankroll and intend to play 1 session for 12 hours at my local casino. What is the best way to optimize profitability with regards to stakes/buyin? I intend to play NL holdem; my casino offers 1-2 (60 min 300 max) , 2-5 (200 min 500 max) and 5-10 (500 min 2k max). I used to play online and was a decent winner at midstakes mtts/cash games. To be clear, I want seasoned live players recomending which stakes to play and how much to buy in for. This is a hypothetical situation posed to settle a bet with a friend, so please treat it as such.
I did something similar a while back, but I only had $400 to start with. While my BR isn't where I want it to be yet, I'm pretty comfy.

Buy in full, play ABC, avoid marginal spots, and don't get coolered.

Also, avoid a loosing session for the first 2-3 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Avaritia
WTH do not buy in for $100.

Buy in for $200 and play ABC poker and have 3 bullets. Or/also hopefully you get comfortable and can top off to $300 after a bit.

Here are some live tips, as an online 6maxer you are like horribly prepared for live 1/2.

1). Do not bluff. Like ever. I mean like aside from cbetting when heads up. There's no such thing as a scare card in 1/2. If someone has TPNK they are not folding.

2). Tighten pf range. Don't squeeze, don't 3! light, etc.

3). Basically there's zero FE. So don't bluff, but valuetown hard. I mean really hard. Take b/b/b lines with TPGK+ like always.

4). By the same token you will see less bluffs. Someone 3! you pre? That is AKs/QQ+ and with some villains KK+ only.

I mean I'm saying all of this in an exaggerated comedic manner for effect, but for the most part I'm 100% serious.

I would also recommend leaving atm card at home. First time live experiences can be especially tilting for former online players.

Best of luck. You will be amazed at what you are called down with.
This is just about the most accurate poast I've ever read.
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07-29-2013 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
WTH do not buy in for $100.

Buy in for $200 and play ABC poker and have 3 bullets. Or/also hopefully you get comfortable and can top off to $300 after a bit.

Here are some live tips, as an online 6maxer you are like horribly prepared for live 1/2.

1). Do not bluff. Like ever. I mean like aside from cbetting when heads up. There's no such thing as a scare card in 1/2. If someone has TPNK they are not folding.

2). Tighten pf range. Don't squeeze, don't 3! light, etc.

3). Basically there's zero FE. So don't bluff, but valuetown hard. I mean really hard. Take b/b/b lines with TPGK+ like always.

4). By the same token you will see less bluffs. Someone 3! you pre? That is AKs/QQ+ and with some villains KK+ only.

I mean I'm saying all of this in an exaggerated comedic manner for effect, but for the most part I'm 100% serious.

I would also recommend leaving atm card at home. First time live experiences can be especially tilting for former online players.

Best of luck. You will be amazed at what you are called down with.
I don't agree with some of these. Are the games you play in really that tough?
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07-29-2013 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by wewa925@yahoo.com
I don't agree with some of these. Are the games you play in really that tough?
I wouldn't describe a game where people don't fold as tough.

Let me put it this way, when I first transitioned to live, I was betting awesome scare cards, squeezing in great spots, 3!'ing light in good spots as well. Every time Id get called down.

Id triple barrel Q55AK and get called by JJ and be like wtf gramps has a soul read on me. No, he's just been getting 92o for the past hour and he's not folding a top pp dammit.

At first I was like what the hell this game sucks, these people never fold. Then it hit me. These people NEVER fold, this is the greatest game ever played.

Obviously as I already stated I'm speaking in exaggerated terms for effect, but not much, especially 1/2.

Your no max game plays differently, stacks are much deeper and some of your villains are competent, so obviously you can actually play some poker.

Play the reg 1/2 at your room when you get a chance and you'll see what I mean. I cold 4! the other day and jammed a 338 flop and got called by KQhh (one h on flop). I hadn't played a hand in an hour. Seriously.
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07-29-2013 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
I wouldn't describe a game where people don't fold as tough.

Let me put it this way, when I first transitioned to live, I was betting awesome scare cards, squeezing in great spots, 3!'ing light in good spots as well. Every time Id get called down.

Id triple barrel Q55AK and get called by JJ and be like wtf gramps has a soul read on me. No, he's just been getting 92o for the past hour and he's not folding a top pp dammit.

At first I was like what the hell this game sucks, these people never fold. Then it hit me. These people NEVER fold, this is the greatest game ever played.

Obviously as I already stated I'm speaking in exaggerated terms for effect, but not much, especially 1/2.

Your no max game plays differently, stacks are much deeper and some of your villains are competent, so obviously you can actually play some poker.

Play the reg 1/2 at your room when you get a chance and you'll see what I mean. I cold 4! the other day and jammed a 338 flop and got called by KQhh (one h on flop). I hadn't played a hand in an hour. Seriously.
I gotcha. didn't mean to sound like a total a$$hole or anything. just curious on your reasoning.

I mean, even in 1/2, there are spots to bluff, squeeze, and bet weaker hands for value. there def are FE spots as well. as far as V's 3bet range, you are correct. most will always never do it without KK or AA. Some I've seen with only AA.

as far as leaving the debit card at home, I don't believe in session stop-loss. if the game is good, you should keep playing as long as you are playing well.
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07-30-2013 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipperyAces
Hi Guys - Today is my first day on this forum. I have a few questions and I want to thank ahead of time for any help and advice. Sorry for the long post ahead of time

I learned poker during moneymakers win in 2003 but have been primarily a live player. anyway, i have played off and on since then and where i started as a winning player against really bad players I think I am more of a break even player today but i am even questioning that in the middle of a bad downswing.

1) How without all the nifty acronyms/stats offered when you play online with the fancy tools do you determine if you suck? or if you just need to wait it out?

2) I live in colorado where we can't play no-limit but instead have to play these 100$ spread games. I enjoy playing the 2/5 100 Spread and sometimes Ill play the 1/2 100 Spread. Given I imagine the Spread rolls should be lower the NL at the same levels given it can play like limit later in the hand what do you recommend they should be?
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