Yeah in my mind solid means making no significant mistakes, and losing value or not slowplaying is definitely a significant mistake. Mistake doesn't mean losing big pots or losing money, after all.

couldn't agree more. theres about 20 players I don't like playing against bc they put me in tough spots where I have to call them down lighter since they are capable of making plays, but I feel most winning regs in my room are ridiculously bad. I like a mix of 2-3 really bad players, 2-3 bad regs who don't make plays, and 1-2 players that only play AA or KK to sit on my left

I think everyone would be shocked if you could see true results for every player in your room. Despite the fact a reg is there day-in-day-out does not mean they win.

Honestly, try this exercise... give me the results at your game for any other player than yourself....

... hint - it is nearly impossible to track someone. While you are thinking "winning reg", it is more likely they are a "slightly losing reg" who doesn't even track themselves to realize it. Rake and tips are significant - there are far fewer profitable players in a room than most people think.

When you consider the rake and tips the majority of players in your room have to be losers.

That includes regs who play a lot, a fair amount of them are donators.

bip!, here is a possible formula for small to medium size rooms.

There are a handful of players that can't afford to be losing players, young ones especially.

Assign a cash value to those guys and see how much money is left after subtracting those guys from a simple formula like:

average BI x average number of players x average hours of playing time.

Wow GG congrats bro you're straight crushin!

How would you view your play during this upswing? Were you laggin it up? Standard ABC? How often were you bluffing and pulling off large bluffs? Would you attribute any of your success to abnormal run good or do you just think your reads were super sharp and you were almost always making the right play, or both? Were the games unusually soft during this time?

Sorry for all the questions but from your posts/threads I know you are a sharp player and I love picking sharp brains! Haha congrats tho man keep it up!

I would like to see more WR's posted with more than 1k hours.

serio, then they aren't brags, so they won't be posted

I think I overall mostly played fine, but obviously I made mistakes along the way.

I was definitely not lagging it up. If anything, I've become more loose/passive (get in a multiway pot for cheap, flop a hand, stack a moron).

I almost exclusively limited my bluffs to HU cbets after raising preflop (with some cbets mixed in on favourable boards 3way, and pretty much never cbetting air 4way+). Very rarely would I double barrel (had to have the right opponent and the right image and the right turn card). Very few 3barrel bluffs (if any?) or big river bluffs (there were a few, but I'm not even sure I made money on them to be honest since I got called sometimes).

My guess is that I ran good.

I think my game is pretty soft overall, so mediocre player + run good can have nice results.

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Ya'll must seriously play in some horrid games if you think $50 an hour at 2/5 is some head in the clouds top player number.

I don't want to advertise more than wheeldog already has, but yea in Fl you can overvalue bet the absolute piss out of villains. If you ever see resistance fold. So the vanilla bet/fold strategy will seriously put you in the top 5% of players.

Like it seems so exploitable but even the "competent" villains are pretty bad. I'll post every hundred hours in here from now on, coming up on my first hundred of 2/5.

2408 hrs, $5.20/hr. Only $1/2 NLHE for these (small samples for other games). This is from July '08 until now. Most of the time is in pretty high rake games, 10% up to $6+$1bbj.

I feel like a complete scrub sometimes with that rate. But I sucked a good bit when I first started, then I recently went on a pretty epic downswing while trying to loosen up my game (nearly 20 BI, just like BRM suggests).

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Here's my 2-5 results..previous pic is my Year to Date.





$100k/year is doable in my room, and I will get there

Especially if your game isn't capped at 100bb.

I had +10k months in 3/5 200-500 and standard deviation is half of yours in those months.

I could count on my hands the # of people in my player pool that actually track their results with a poker tracker app or website... In fact, I would do a prop bet that you could go up to any Ten "regs" at a casino and ask them if they track their results and I would bet that not only do 4 out of 5 don't track their results, but I'd go on to bet that 4 out of 5 don't even know there are websites or poker apps that allow you to track your results...

and the # of regs that actively "work" on their game are easily 50% of the regs that track their results.

My favorite thing is sitting at a table listening to someone ask about a poker book and then several "solid" players go on to explain how poker books, websites, training videos, podcasts, online poker, etc etc are all useless and that they figured out the game all by themselves using their vast years of experience...

Do you not? Seems like a great way to troll people with bad advice.

giving waaay to much credit here brotha...think the number is significantly lower

No way, I think like 95%+ of regs in my games know about tracking software and about 30% of them use one (I see them use them) Literally 19/20 would know about them I think, and quite a few track. I know personally of 10+ regs who track and there isn't that big a reg pool.

Seriously, I think you guys define regs way too loosely if they include donating whales. Those are regular fish, not regs.

I agree with this 100%. I play an exploitive strategy, tailoring my game to the weaknesses of particular individuals at a table as well as exploiting the collective table dynamic. The better I know the regs in a room, generally the more my WR goes up.

Half the room thinks I'm some uber shark, other half an uber fish. That's because my style varies fairly dramatically depending on the day/table. (Don't get me wrong, most of the time it's ABC cruise control, but when there is a play or player to exploit, I'm on it.)

I also like using players' strengths and weaknesses against each other (Simplified example: building a nice pot IP when you have an ep pf aggrotard and a station, then pot controlling/building as needed later streets).

In a pretty good hand reader, so that allows me to spew a bit more than average without sacrificing too much short-term EV. I'm also able to build the image I want (for a few months at least.)

While I probably don't win any Sklansky bucks with my play, my live results have been consistent for more than a decade. Right now I play in a casino that has some of the juiciest 2/5 and 1/2 action (and 1/2 is just so easy to exploit... Keep building small pots till u get the nuts, then jam), I've actually been sacrificing a bit of my business to play as often as I can (dynamic will soon change as 2 rival casinos are opening and will start dividing the player pool.)

Only drawback is 5/10 and higher rarely gets going, and the 5/5 PLO game (a game where I doubt I have an edge) draws much of the money.

Still, I have it good. While it's still way early, I currently have a W/R above $100/hr at 2/5. (About 400 hours, 150 of which have been tracked by live journal). My 1/2 is at about $90/hr, but that is because I only have about 20 tracked hours...I just started incorporating 1/2 into my table selection when 2/5 is slow and as a way to reduce variance/ get hours in while not on "A" game.

While of course I don't think these rates are sustainable, I do think at this particular casino a WR between $70-80/hr is (and seems to be what the top
Pros there make.)

I definitely have leaks/holes in my game, but am starting to figure out how to mitigate them against players that used to give me trouble. I approach each table (and each player) like a puzzle. Generally, give me enough time, and I'll eventually figure it out.

Really curious to see where my WR falls after
1000 hours. Since there really is nowhere for me to move up (the 5/10 when it does go is a nitfest and usually not worth it to play when 2/5 is juicy), I'll be "stuck" here for awhile.

Also, I generally play from 9-5 weekdays. Rarely get an opportunity to enjoy the very, very good weekend games.

Of course, all this may be the ruling delusions of a fish on a heater.

+1

"Reg" does not imply winning player, although I think that term has evolved on 2+2 to insinuate someone who wins. This seems to be based on the assumption that if someone is seen playing poker on multiple occasions, they must be winning, otherwise why would they play? A lot of people like gambling, and some prefer playing poker over slots or pit games. Many have regular jobs or are collecting social security and have some extra cash to toss around for fun somewhat frequently.

hey, illini. long time.

IDK; being in Vegas with the tourist trade, a "local" is a person who plays a lot and breaks even or loses, and a "reg" is a pro who is making a living.

Just the way I think about it in my head. Obviously wouldn't work elsewhere.

Most of the b/e and losing locals I see wouldn't know tracking software if I showed it to them on the phone. But like sol, I think 19/20 winning regs, in my games, the pros, would know about it.

Come to think about it, I'm pretty sure the tourist crowd here tracks results with a way higher frequency than the locals. I'm forever seeing tourists with poker journal, equity calculators and bravo poker for game selection out and in use. I never see locals with those apps.

What's up mpethy?

Your distinction between "local" and "reg" makes complete sense in the Vegas setting.

I also think the location/clientale of a card room has a lot to do with the caliber of player, especially with re: those who track their results and plug away on equity calculators. In Vegas, neighboring casinos could attract very different clientale (I'm thinking V vs. Harrah's), which is going to influence the player pool in each room. Same can be said for other areas with multiple casino options within reasonable driving distance of each other.

I've never seen anyone use poker software near the table, but that's probably because I've only played ~40 hours of live poker in the last 1.5 years. Or perhaps that what people are doing on their phones across the table as they sit silently and listen to music.

1/3 NL

$33,921.00 over 1,149:55 = $29.50/hr (9.83 bb/hr)

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Keep crushing GG.