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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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02-25-2013 , 04:32 PM

#4176

11t

Bo Pelini's #1 Fan

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 31,420

Fwiw I sit in games with large chunks of my BR all the time if I think the game is good but I'm not a pro.

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02-25-2013 , 04:34 PM

#4177

The Rumor

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Originally Posted by 11t

Fwiw I sit in games with large chunks of my BR all the time if I think the game is good but I'm not a pro.

You have a rather meaningful non-poker income and life roll, though, and you're willing to move down if you take a hit.

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02-25-2013 , 04:39 PM

#4178

PoppaTMan

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I've never felt I played my A game with 25+% of my roll on the table. I can't imagine buying in for such a substantial portion.

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02-25-2013 , 08:07 PM

#4179

RC3

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 130

How much BR is enough to withstand 50 hours of 2/5 without going bust? Assuming player is on the nitty side of TAG reducing a little variance. I know there are ups and downs to the grind, but what is the most a winning player can lose in only 50 hours of poker, or atleast an average loss of a losing session of this time frame?

I kindof asked this question before, but got very little response, so I am trying to reword it here to get more feedback.

Thanks.

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02-25-2013 , 08:57 PM

#4180

cbayly12

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Originally Posted by RC3

It's a pretty bad question, but I'd say 5k should be good

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02-25-2013 , 09:05 PM

#4181

ikestoys

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Dropping 5k in 50 hours would be sooooo bad at 2/5.

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02-25-2013 , 09:16 PM

#4182

cbayly12

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Dropping 5k in 50 hours would be sooooo bad at 2/5.

Have you ever won 5k in 50 hours?

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02-25-2013 , 09:19 PM

#4183

ikestoys

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Yes. Regardless, that'd be ****ing terrible.

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02-25-2013 , 09:23 PM

#4184

Richard Parker

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Originally Posted by cbayly12

Have you ever won 5k in 50 hours?

5k in 50 is not that hard.

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02-25-2013 , 09:24 PM

#4185

11t

Bo Pelini's #1 Fan

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Yeah like I would def go home after 2k, not worth the mind ****

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02-25-2013 , 09:25 PM

#4186

madlondoner

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Dropping 5k in 50 hours would be sooooo bad at 2/5.

Not really. It's only ten buy ins of 100bb and if you are buying in for 200bb then it only takes a bit of run bad.

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02-25-2013 , 09:26 PM

#4187

11t

Bo Pelini's #1 Fan

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 31,420

Oh lol thought you said 5 hours, getting stuck 5k in 50 hours in a big 2/5 game is possible, two lost flips one cooler and some run bad play bad in a 1k game is not uncommon.

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02-25-2013 , 09:27 PM

#4188

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by madlondoner

Not really. It's only ten buy ins of 100bb and if you are buying in for 200bb then it only takes a bit of run bad.

I'm not saying it's undoable, but it's a ****ing terrible run dude. Dropping 1k bbs in 3000 hands.... that's some epic run bad if you're a significant winner.

Especially considering how much river play and showdown happens in llsnl.

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02-25-2013 , 09:31 PM

#4189

Richard Parker

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This month alone, I lost $3400 in 32 hours, then won $4700 in 21 hours, turn right after, down another $1200 in 24 hours.

That's last 77 hours, in which I am roughly even.

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02-25-2013 , 09:33 PM

#4190

madlondoner

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

It depends on the game. You want to be sitting with 200bb live so you can set mine vs the fish. With only 100bb it is hard to profitably do this. It would only take a couple badly timed bluffs, a bit of run bad and you could easily find yourself down a lot. 1000 bb downswings arent that insane if the game plays big. Obviously if everyone is a nit and there is a 500max buy in its harder.

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02-25-2013 , 09:35 PM

#4191

ikestoys

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If everyone is bad downswings like that should be significantly less likely.

Also, if you're trying to focus on setmining you're doing it wrong, even if you're 200bb deep everywhere.

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02-25-2013 , 09:42 PM

#4192

cbayly12

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

If everyone is bad downswings like that should be significantly less likely.

Also, if you're trying to focus on setmining you're doing it wrong, even if you're 200bb deep everywhere.

Dude, the OP asked what is a safe BR for 50 hours. It's definitely possible to lose 5k in 50 hours. Yes, you do have to run poorly, but you're acting like its impossible.

If you disagree with my answer to the OP, then give a better number. I think my number will get him through 50 hours though, with a reasonable RoR.

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02-25-2013 , 09:45 PM

#4193

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by cbayly12

safe != 100% failure prevention

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02-25-2013 , 10:04 PM

#4194

madlondoner

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Everyone underestimates how badly it is possible to run, especially if the game is aggressive and people are stacking off light. Maybe you will get stacked for 200bb with aces or kings vs a guy who has been getting it in with top pair all day and this time he happens to have a monster. Maybe you will have no hands and it is a non folding table so you lose 400 in a 10 hour session.

Setmining is just an example. When we are up against no foldem players our goal should be to make a hand that we are happy sticking all our chips in with. I am usually happy committing with a set.

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02-25-2013 , 10:06 PM

#4195

madlondoner

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Also you want to have enough of a roll for a game so that if you run bad and lose say 2k, it will not affect you mentally. If you lose 2k and have only 3k behind it will be hard for you to make reasonable decisions as you will be too risk averse.

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02-25-2013 , 11:27 PM

#4196

cbayly12

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Originally Posted by madlondoner

Exactly. My 5k number was the minimum I'd feel comfortable with for 50 hours.

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02-26-2013 , 02:36 AM

#4197

Mischa9

old hand

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Dropping 5k in 50 hours would be sooooo bad at 2/5.

lol wat

i've lost almost 5k in 1 session (8hrs) of 2/5 and i think I generally have a pretty big skill advantage over most of the players at that limit. If you never have big swings like this and losing 5k requires you to lose like 7-8 sessions in a row then yes i guess it could be less likely. Still nothing rediculously out of the ordinary though.

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02-26-2013 , 03:47 AM

#4198

Sol Reader

The Situation

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I've done more. =P

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02-26-2013 , 04:03 AM

#4199

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

i don't feel so bad about being -$1 for February and -$250 for the year now.

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02-26-2013 , 04:16 AM

#4200

TAOxEaglex

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,583

Obviously, your downswings are affected by your regional community. If your local casinos spread games where max BI is 100-150bb then, yeah, a 10 BI downswing (either in 50 hrs or 1 session) is horrific.

But if you're allowed to buy-in to match the chip leader (like in ike's new home, New Orleans) then 5k might really only be 2 or 3 BIs.

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