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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

02-05-2013 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
That's it, I am moving to Red Rock casino!

Clearly everyone there are deep pocket morons.
Most of the regs at RR are pretty terrible and they keep coming back, so come get your share.

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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
OK, sorry for the misunderstanding, it's just that I only need a second rack if i have more than $700. You have really tiny hands or something?
I'm not sure why you seem to have a problem with me, but that's fine. Sorry you don't believe me?

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Originally Posted by Duke0424
are the games you play in usually deep?

why dont you play 2/5?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it? I play for fun, not to make a living. Losing $2k in a day playing 2/5 would piss me off a lot more than losing $600 in a day playing 1/2. Some tables play deep and some are full of shortstackers. Usually RR has enough tables going that at least one or two looks good.

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I know you're just busting his chops, and I think I said this once before: I went over to RR looking for him on a weekend and didn't see him. Played a sesh, and it was more or less standard--within the range of variability for any 1/2 table in Vegas.

If he's having this heater he claims, and I'm sorry to say that his attitude is increasing my doubts, he could just as easily be having it at the V or the MGM.
Think I've played at RR every weekend day for the past month. Usually wearing my red Redskins sweatshirt, I shouldn't be that hard to find. If you want to grab a beer and play some RR pokers, send me a PM. I have no beef with you.
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02-05-2013 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
are the games you play in usually deep?

why dont you play 2/5?
He was asked that question. Apparently he can beat 1/2 for 30bb/hr, but he can't beat 2/5 to break even, and the odds of busting his roll is too high in 2/5...even though he has made 30k from 1/2 in the last 6 months with a full time job.
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02-05-2013 , 06:12 PM
i mean i guess its plausible that he sees $2k as a lot of money and gets tilted easily or plays scared when playing 2/5

its not way out there for someone to suck at 2/5 and be great at 1/2
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02-05-2013 , 06:13 PM
Anyone that can ABSOLUTELY CRUSH 1/2 for more than 30bb/hr can beat 2/5. There's no doubt about that.

If you have a full-time job and has made 30k in the last 6 months from 1/2, what's 2k? Seriously...
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02-05-2013 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
He was asked that question. Apparently he can beat 1/2 for 30bb/hr, but he can't beat 2/5 to break even, and the odds of busting his roll is too high in 2/5...even though he has made 30k from 1/2 in the last 6 months with a full time job.
I played 3 or 4 sessions of 2/5 the entire year, which was about break even. Not really a large enough sample size to draw any conclusions. Also, the 2/5 games at RR suck from what everyone says. Go play at RR and ask about the 2/5 game, guarantee someone will tell you it sucks.
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02-05-2013 , 06:16 PM
You work for RR or something?

Actually ya...it makes a lot of sense! Some guy comes in claiming to crush RR's 1/2 and invites everyone.
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02-05-2013 , 06:18 PM
You can play on the strip. RR is meh.
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02-05-2013 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
You work for RR or something?

Actually ya...it makes a lot of sense! Some guy comes in claiming to crush RR's 1/2 and invites everyone.
I live closer to RR than the strip. Takes me 8 minutes to get to RR and 15-20 to get to the strip, plus parking lot and garage at RR is closer than Venetian, which is where I usually play when going to the strip. Most people that play at RR go there because it's right near their house...I know that seems far fetched.
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02-05-2013 , 06:27 PM
Quit pretending that you're not some sort of fake account in attempt to garner traffic to RR.

It just doesn't add up. No one that crushes the game in a room would invite other players that would potentially hurt your game.

"It's so easy, and I am a rec player with a full-time job!"
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02-05-2013 , 06:29 PM
Yeah confirmed shill.
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02-05-2013 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94



I'm not sure why you seem to have a problem with me, but that's fine. Sorry you don't believe me?


Think I've played at RR every weekend day for the past month. Usually wearing my red Redskins sweatshirt, I shouldn't be that hard to find. If you want to grab a beer and play some RR pokers, send me a PM. I have no beef with you.
Uh, I thought you said you usually wear hokies gear. Think I saw you if you were wearing redskins gear.

You should be sure why I don't believe you, because I told you why upthread:

I find the idea of someone winning $10k in a month at 1/2 to be borderline incredible. Not impossible, but wildly unlikely.

You followed up by claiming an $8k month last month.

Heaters happen. God knows if I can run as bad as I have for as long as I have, then it's certainly possible for someone to have a massive two- month heater. It could easily be you as anybody else, as it's obvious from your posts in strat threads that you have the skills to win at 1/2.

My problem is that it seems to me that anybody really beating 1/2 for $60/hr over 300 hours isn't puffing out his chest and talking about how easy it is, unless he is some clueless n00b with no idea of max sustainable win rates and variance, which you clearly are not. Anybody actually making that money and who also has a clue is sacrificing fish and donkeys and whales to the poker gods in the hopes of prolonging the heater.

I feel like Kevin Costner in bull Durham. You're ITT talking like Nuke Lalouche and how you're ready for the show. But you're not respecting the game, and you're not respecting the streak.

All of that said, I truly and sincerely hope for your sake that you're really on the heater you've been claiming. I don't have anything against you at all that isn't rooted in annoyance with your attitude about the winnings you've been claiming, and outside of this thread, you're generally helpful in other people's strat threads.
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02-05-2013 , 06:39 PM
Well said mpethy.

That's my exit sign as well.
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02-05-2013 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
I played 3 or 4 sessions of 2/5 the entire year, which was about break even. Not really a large enough sample size to draw any conclusions. Also, the 2/5 games at RR suck from what everyone says. Go play at RR and ask about the 2/5 game, guarantee someone will tell you it sucks.
It looked juicy as hell the day I was there. I was up big at 1/2 and on the list when I took the bad beat in the $1k pot and rage quit my session.

You ought to sit more, IMO, caveats as in my previous posts.

Last edited by mpethybridge; 02-05-2013 at 06:56 PM.
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02-05-2013 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I dunno, you post like you'd have an edge at 2/5. Don't really believe you're a fish. Pretty sure I had at least one similar run at 1/2, and my edge there was much bigger than your edge would be at 2/5.

Could be you post better than you play, which means you have a leak of not thinking clearly during a hand, maybe some other things that from your posts I don't think are really a problem for you (playing scared, passing up thin spots, etc.).

I think you should consider moving down to rebuild confidence (and roll, if it needs it), but I don't think you should be calling yourself a fish. I'd stake you in any 2/5 game in Vegas and feel good about it.
I was being quite tounge in cheek and I am sure I can find plenty of money left on the table during my DS but I feel I have been running pretty poorly as well. I am playing quite a bit of 1/3 now but sitting 2/5 when the game is good.

Also everybody posts better than they play! Ha, but I play pretty well on average.
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02-05-2013 , 06:53 PM
Not me, I'm far better player than poster. Poker is too complexed to put every detain in a post.
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02-05-2013 , 06:56 PM
cool story bro
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02-05-2013 , 06:57 PM
You said an absolute not me.
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02-05-2013 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Quit pretending that you're not some sort of fake account in attempt to garner traffic to RR.

It just doesn't add up. No one that crushes the game in a room would invite other players that would potentially hurt your game.

"It's so easy, and I am a rec player with a full-time job!"
Caught red-handed, cover blown.

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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Uh, I thought you said you usually wear hokies gear. Think I saw you if you were wearing redskins gear.

You should be sure why I don't believe you, because I told you why upthread:

I find the idea of someone winning $10k in a month at 1/2 to be borderline incredible. Not impossible, but wildly unlikely.

You followed up by claiming an $8k month last month.

Heaters happen. God knows if I can run as bad as I have for as long as I have, then it's certainly possible for someone to have a massive two- month heater. It could easily be you as anybody else, as it's obvious from your posts in strat threads that you have the skills to win at 1/2.

My problem is that it seems to me that anybody really beating 1/2 for $60/hr over 300 hours isn't puffing out his chest and talking about how easy it is, unless he is some clueless n00b with no idea of max sustainable win rates and variance, which you clearly are not. Anybody actually making that money and who also has a clue is sacrificing fish and donkeys and whales to the poker gods in the hopes of prolonging the heater.

I feel like Kevin Costner in bull Durham. You're ITT talking like Nuke Lalouche and how you're ready for the show. But you're not respecting the game, and you're not respecting the streak.

All of that said, I truly and sincerely hope for your sake that you're really on the heater you've been claiming. I don't have anything against you at all that isn't rooted in annoyance with your attitude about the winnings you've been claiming, and outside of this thread, you're generally helpful in other people's strat threads.
My VT sweatshirt has been retired for the winter now that I found my more comfortable Redskins one, but when it's not cold outside I usually do have some sort of VT shirt on. I haven't seen Bull Durham so I don't know what the reference is. Yes it is obviously a good heater streak, but winning a lot of $$ consistently at 1/2 I don't think is as hard as some people make it out to be. The last two months are not the only "big" months I've had playing 1/2, but they have been the best. Anyone without a family to take care of that has no other job and says playing 1500-2000 hours/year is difficult is FOS or making excuses. I will probably play close to 2000 hours this year while working during the day, so if I can do it, I would have to think a grinder with nothing but free time can do it too.

If you are playing every day and can exploit the tendencies of other regs, it should really be pretty easy to consistently have solid sessions. I keep going back to RR because every time I sit down, I know how at least 3 or 4 of the people at every table are playing, whereas going to the strip I have to watch and observe every table to get a read on people since they are mostly tourists. After a while of winning consistently, you get a reputation for being solid and people fold to your cbets more often trying to avoid big heads-up pots without big hands, fold to your raises more often, and you collect a lot of dead money from limpers and people that decide to wait for better spots. That doesn't really happen at the strip casinos.
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02-05-2013 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
I was being quite tounge in cheek and I am sure I can find plenty of money left on the table during my DS but I feel I have been running pretty poorly as well. I am playing quite a bit of 1/3 now but sitting 2/5 when the game is good.

Also everybody posts better than they play! Ha, but I play pretty well on average.
wow, all that love and support wasted on a level. I feel used.

Staking offer off table. get your own ****ing money.
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02-05-2013 , 07:02 PM
I wish there was a way to verify live winnings. I'd try to win 10k in a month at 1/2 if there was a propbet involved.
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02-05-2013 , 07:05 PM
Ha, I do appreciate the love. I mean I very rarely "spew" in the absolute sense of the term but what can you do. I don't make excuses, I just have to play better.
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02-05-2013 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
For most rec players willing to replenish, I'd say 5 2/5 buy ins is enough to take a shot. If you don't want to replenish, then you can wait for maybe $4k or you can take a really nitty shot now.

Here's how I take nitty shots on a short roll:

I have a stop loss (mine is 1 buy in). This means that as long as I am on the shot, I will drop back down if I ever lose a buy in to below what I had when I started the shot. So if I lose a buy in ( even to a bad beat) the first night, I'm done, I drop down until I make that $500 back, and I start over. If I win $300 the first night, I'm on an $800 shot.

If you keep doing this, and you have an edge at 2/5, eventually you'll run hot enough (just not running bad, really) to have won enough to make the move semi-permanent--that is, you'll be thinking of yourself as a 2/5 player who will drop down if his BR ever gets down to X.

Rec players should be VERY aggro with taking small shots repeatedy. Rec players unwilling to replenish only need to be a little nittier about taking really small shots.

Here's another shot method you can use, maybe better than the first:

Sit at 1/2 as usual, and buy in as usual. But every single time your stack hits $500, rack up, and go sit in the 2/5 game for the rest of the night. Psychologically, you're leveraging money that you haven't added to your roll yet, and it's easier to play well with your profits from that night plus a regular 1/2 buy in being your only risk.

This sort of shot is self-sustaining, you can't take worse than a $200 hit to your roll using it, and you get 2/5 table time in bite sized pieces, and only on nights on which you're all full of piss and vinegar cuz you've been crushing 1/2.
Guys,
even with all the bantering between all of ya...I enjoy the heck out of guys like you who've been banging at this a long time! (Mpethy! how ya been...long time no talk to. We did a PM or two.)

I learn a lot with your thoughts and advice and quite frankly I actually decipher some good **** from your banters too!! LOL

Keep 'em coming. 2+2 rocks!!
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02-05-2013 , 07:09 PM
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Guys,
even with all the bantering between all of ya...I enjoy the heck out of guys like you who've been banging at this a long time! (Mpethy! how ya been...long time no talk to. We did a PM or two.)

I learn a lot with your thoughts and advice and quite frankly I actually decipher some good **** from your banters too!! LOL

Keep 'em coming. 2+2 rocks!!
Bugsy!! Post more. Freeloader.

Just had the worst year of my life in which a family member didn't die. Hanging on. Barely.

Hope things have been well with you.
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02-05-2013 , 08:28 PM
I've played 70 hours at 1/2, up $224.00.

I've played 12 hours at 2/5, down $1074.00.

I am a fish, come play against me in Detroit and take my cash.
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02-06-2013 , 07:17 AM
This thread needs some more meaningless winrate bragging imo

first 400hrs at 2/5 I'm ~8bb/hr. my game is 200-500 buyin, 6+1 rake. hourly wise that's about where i was at 1/2 but i'm putting in way more hrs/month now that I was then. not quite crushing the game yet but i'm happy with where i'm at. most of my leaks revolve around trying to win every pot i vpip postflop and i'm working on eliminating some of that spew. my goal for the next 400 hrs is to be over 12bb/hr at 2/5 and taking shots at 5/10. much easier said than done.


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Also everybody posts better than they play! Ha, but I play pretty well on average.
heh this is funny to me because I've actually told people that I play better than I post before. Writing and articulating my thought process has never been a strong suit for me.
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