First, obligatory note: Note: Blinds are $1-$2, but the game is $2-$100 spread-limit, where the maximum you can bet or raise on any street is $100 over the previous bet.

Wild mid-afternoon weekday game with lots of deep stacks. I’m in the 8 seat, and the guy in the 1 is about $1500 deep into the game, an absolute aggrotard who’s donating to everyone. He has a stack of $250 now. I have $400.

9-handed and there’s an UTG limp and I over-limp in UTG2 with KhKc, planning to limp-reraise since the table has been so active (particularly the 1-seat); however, this backfires horribly, as everyone just gets in on the limping game and we go to a flop 7-ways:

FLOP: Qs7s3d ($14, 7-ways)

The SB (stack $300, the max buy-in), an old guy who just sat down leads for $10. BB folds. UTG (50-something black man on the waiting list for a bigger game, stack of $600) calls. I raise to $50, honestly hoping to just take it down now after my preflop plans went awry. Everyone folds back to the SB, who calls. UTG folds.

Turn: Qs7s3d 5d ($128, heads-up)

He checks.

Are we checking this back and hoping to get to showdown with no more money going into the pot? Or are we trying to get multiple streets of value?

Dont limp

I'd bet turn ~80 or something and check back a lot of rivers

I like the limp. I don’t mind checking either turn or river. Turn seems fine.

Guys, I’m so sorry, I never updated this, please forgive me:

He checked I checked.

RIVER: Qs7s3d 5d Jc ($128, heads-up)

He checks, I bet $60, he calls and My Hand Is Good.

Limp rr is a nice way to ler everyone get away from their hand.

Yeah cause aggrotards love folding 86s.

I’m a huge fan of GGs EP limp raises. It also protects us in case we want to limp small pairs. In a game that’s playing wild pre this is way better than opening EP and getting 5 callers. Now we can bomb over a raise and 4 callers and either go heads up with a strong range of TT+, AQ AK sometimes A5s and sometimes wider if the opener has sizing tells.

I'd bet 100 on the turn.

Bet turn for 100

Only here cuz of the LRR attempt. Lol @ u, ldo.

Preflop is standard for me.

When the LRR attempt fails, I typically play postflop extremely passively (often checking here OOP if checked to) and see if anyone exposes a better hand by raising / dumping in huge chips on later streets / etc. So I'd be in cautious calldown / bet if checked to mode postflop (and maybe even entertaining nitty folds on later streets based on bet sizes into multiple opponents / reads / runout / etc.).

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I don't get why you'd check the turn - it's basically a blank card relative to SB's range and you're missing heavy value from Qx. It seems like you raised the flop thinking you had the best hand but wasn't sure on the turn, meanwhile this guy has tons of Qx and probably won't fold.

The great thing about aces is even when you play them this poorly, you show a profit with them, thus validating your strategy.

Having literally no value in your raising range is just amazing. Im aware nobody is punishing this but if anyone reading is wondering how to punish someone who has limp/rred (with obvious QQ+), after seeing it, you should start 3 betting their EP opens extremely aggressively.

Why are you assuming that because I limp-reraised with QQ+ once that that’s how I play them every time? (Or that every time I limp-reraise it means I have QQ+?)

I posted this hand because it was an interesting exception.

Maybe you arent but every time ive been l/rred, i fold and then make up my money and then some by 3 betting their ep opens with a wide linear range. Gg recommends an ep l/rr strat, and omahadonk thinks this is a profitable strategy. Maybe it is, but its very stupid and this hand is the furthest hand i can think of from “interesting”.

Making assumptions that hero always limp raises his monsters and only does it with premiums will get you burned.

You do realize that to counter this, GG has no EP open range. Makes 3-betting them difficult...

I don't agree that it's optimal strategy, but it's not the simplistic easy to exploit strat that you are presenting.

Just bet the turn for fat value. There are a ton of worse hands that will call a turn bet.

You don't even have the Ks or the Kd.

As the cool kids would say, you are unbklocking the front door FD and the backdoor FD. There are so many ways that Villain can have a hand like Qx that picked up a diamond draw that will be happy to give you action.

You can definitely bet this blank turn. Had the turn been a Jack, I'd have considered checking that back. As played, while the Jack isn't the greatest river in the world, definitely bet for value now it's checked to you (had you bet the turn, I'd have checked this river back).

Preflop I get your reasoning for limping, but if the table is playing very actively why not just open as normal and hope to get 3bet? Or is the table doing loads of iso-raising but no 3betting?

Be aware of position in the extreme multiway pot. SB can have practically ATC here so pretty much all two pair combos (maybe not 73o).

You guys are hilarious sidelining this thread with a discussion about limp-reraising strategy.

Just give OP advice on the turn play. It is pretty obvious that OP is lost on the postflop strategy because he admitted himself that he was raising flop "to take it down" which isn't the thought process of a good poker player.

He doesn't want a lecture about his preflop gamble.

Why would would you ever check turn here?!?!?!

Normally, you have decent posts/replies, but I can't really understand the "don't mind checking turn" mindset.

This is a dream spot to get value on the turn.

I don't think anyone's lecturing, but I will point out that very often in threads on this forum, the stated question is about post-flop decisions, but often the reason you're in a sticky position is what you did pre-flop. And so I think it's completely legitimate to talk pre-flop to understand root cause of why we are here. And also becuase geometrical mathematical properties of betting in poker, the earlier you make a mistake in a hand the more likely it is to effect EV.

I don't think I've ever limp/rr, but in this specific OP gave reasonable reasons about why it might be a legit strategy in this case, and of course it's occasionally not going to work.