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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Interesting replies. I guess this is just an in-game hand/read. I'm never limping here with KJs and so much dead money from bad/tight players and a guy who will call me w/ 23 soooted. Anything less than $75 might bring some of the others along, which I don't want. I was surprised at V2's call pre, but I thought he would bet if he had a decent A, and I was positive V1 would bet with any piece of the board or a really big draw. I was wrong about V2.
Results:
I bet $100 trying to draw V1 in (I want him to call with his draws -- he's so easy to read and my KJ is definitely good right now). V1 folded, but V2 put in his $106. He had AJo. Oops. I was really surprised that he didn't shove the flop, but I guess I need to learn more about him. However, the turn brought the beautiful Td
V2 went nuts about how lucky I am, and I thought, "If you had just raised pre or shoved the flop, I fold and that money was yours. Now it's mine."
Interesting outcome.
Unless I missed it, your read on V2 didn't include whether or not he donks flops for value. Describing him as "pretty passive" makes me think he'd be more likely to check-call than donk-lead. Your description of him, and the pre-flop action, would make me think he could have enough AX here to not fold to your flop c-bet.
Your read on V1 is that he bets/raises for value and chases his draws. Again, not sure if that means he donks flops for value, or if he would prefer to check-raise. Also not sure if he'll chase his draws when he's OOP to two opponents, one of whom is V2, who V1 might intuitively see as a sand-bagger.
Betting 40% pot, hoping to draw V1 in, but fold V2 out, seems a bit...I dunno, ambitious? Fancy? Too specific? If V1 calls, V2 will be getting 4.5 to 1 odds to put the rest of his stack in. Getting those odds, V2 could call off with 8x. If that happens, V1 will be in a good spot to jam his last $200 into $550 on the turn.
Even if V1 folds, V2 is still getting 3.5 to 1 on his call. Against the most aggro, bluff-prone player in the game, he's almost getting good enough odds to call off with any Qx.
To be fair, V2 didn't mis-play it. He checked to you, the PFR, and got his money in good when you c-bet enough to put him all in. You got lucky to catch a four-outer on the turn.