Tip for OP - if you are reading the thread and are still playing 1/2:

Start showing some of your bluffs. Your villains are probably not good enough to make long term conclusions and identify the actual spots, where you might bluff; however you will get more action the times you do have it, and let's face it for you it will be most of the time!

^ revolutionary game changing protip: you don't want action

+1

No, we do want action otherwise we are playing against othet nits and won't be able to beat the game.

I don't take it as an insult, though my friends politely call me a rock instead.

The reason that OMC nits can play day after day is that most don't lose much if any money, and I suspect most have a slight win rate. They're never going to crush, but you won't get much money off them.

Bottom line, it's a perfectly reasonable strategy at low stakes. It may not be exciting for some, but if you like just being at a table getting your free drinks and comps, and not losing money, more power to you.

You can if you keep stealing their blinds and making them limp fold. No flop no drop!

I think we are all running on different definitions of nits. For me these are people who only raise with good PP and AK, Aqs. They might limp some lower PPs and KQ, and some SCs, but they don't have some wide loose passive limping range that you see often in low stakes.

If it’s at the point when they’re calling you a nit then I doubt showing a couple of bluffs is going to change much. They will still think you are a nit because they remember you folding a lot. Also it’s the oldest trick in the book to show bluffs in an attempt to get more action, and a lot of times the other players won’t be paying attention.

Some people get insulted because calling someone a nit is another way of saying the person isn’t manly enough. Some people think if you’re folding a lot then you must be a wimp. And this often is true. A lot of nits are really afraid to gamble and can be pushed around easily. Players that like to gamble can pick up on that.

Also a lot of the nits will hate the players that have a lot of gamble. Nits will even hate the TAG players that keep raising PF.

Wrong. At the lowest level, nits can crush the games. Nits can have very respectable winrates at the higher levels too.

If you don't agree, then possibly we don't define "nit" the same way.

Well I defined it above at least pre flop. Post nits will bluff rarely if at all other than cbets, call draws rather than raise and only want to get it in with close to the nuts.

At least that's my definition, but somehow we seem to have three pages of comments with no clear common agreement on the definition. There seems to be a lot of people who think nits limp a lot, and that's most certainly not in my definition.

As for win rate, I said it was likely winning. I guess some could be crushing.

Because too many nits at a 1/2 table makes it nearly impossible to beat the rake for any substantial margin. If you are a nit, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

How is this different from saying too many good players make it hard to beat the rake. If you're problem is action then step up a level.

Yeah, just to slightly modify the above response, if you're a winning player (which I'm assuming we're all attempting to be), then you're part of the problem? So the only way to not be part of the problem is to become a losing player?

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This happened to me this morning the table was 6 omc and I had bad position. I just table change no problem.

Maybe you guys can crush nits. Me personally I just table change and find an easy game.

This. As a degen my only use for nits is to seat their tight asses in the two spots to my left.

And on a friendlier note. It’s 1/2. Learning when and how to open up can both up your winrate and improve the table action. The transitive power of degeneration is real.


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This too.
If you’re tight as ****, don’t be a ****ing rain delay when you’re in a hand. Esp if it’s a fold pre in normal spots
That **** is annoying to everyone.


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Outdonked hitting hard.
I have a hard believing he’s good enough to murder 5T at 75/hr, but his stated moves, advice on reading opponents and storytelling, and general life views on Poker’s are supremely on point.

So benefit of the doubt to you OutDonked and nice post.


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Agreed except for the no-calling mantra.
Lots of chances to get huge multiway messes with opponents who bet HORRIBLY. I have called $10 on many a flip to an inside nut straight with correct immediate odds, and then gotten paid when it came on occasions.

If the game is over-passive you need to add a limp Range to your normal tag range (preferably in the last 2 seats) and don’t feel bad about playing cheap flops/turns in a multiway pot like an old man and checking/calling until you nail it. If you mix that into your normal tag game, you will both seem less nitty and likely up your win rate. When I go up stakes, my game moves from station to rockish—the main difference is cutting out my speculative range because hands are not often limped.


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Heh, someone at a table tonight said "he's so tight, he squeaks when he walks".

Meanwhile the 2 table "captains" are stuck 1k+

One of the reasons why the expression "nit" have such negative connotations for most people is because being a true nit is a way of life, a way of being, rather than strictly the cards you choose to play.

When you are at a table with a nit you can see that he gets slightly frustrated look on his face after recieving his coffee from the waitress, when he remember that he needs to tip her 1 buck. Nits often refuses to straddle, when the biggest mark at the table wants it on and the whole table have agreed to do it because they are smart enough to understand its value to keep the whales and fish happy.

A true nit is never doing anything remotely out of line in any sort of way, and its shines through on them at the table. They are the kind of guys who slowrolls you with a set when they get in 100 blinds with bottom set on 2-J-K,cause the nit inside them is pounding whenever they have to stackoff without the mortal stones and they fear the worst despite its ten times more likely they are up against KJ/AA or AK compared to KK/JJ. A true nit is never even taking a drink when the biggest whale ever offers it over and over again because he obviously want a drinking buddy at the table in order for him to stay and keep spewing money to the table.

At some tables i would rather have an empty seat instead of a true nit, because their extremely nitty way of being is contagious, and can for sure have a negative impact of the overall value of the table. I have countless examples of tables that true nits have made huge whales quit the game out of boredom or whale being tilted by these guys never ending nittyness, with huge deep stacks being taken off the table as a consequence, wich of course is the worst scenario for any winning player. Like last year at Harrahs in Vegas when a megawhale snapquit at 2am with a $2500 stack in a 1/2 game, because the table ubernit refused to both drink and straddle, with the consequence of a guy that vpps 90 percent of the hands he gets dealt to any raisesize pre takes 2,5 grand of the table. I was so tilted after that night that i cant even describe it,like you got to be freaking kidding me.

agree with all but the drink
no one should ever be pressured into drinking booze if they don't want to.

the other day a nit chased off a whale and everyone at the table yelled at the nit to switch tables so they could get the whale to stay.

nit says no I want a shot at his money
we all cracked up laughing including floor walking by and dealer.
everyone said at once "HOW YOU GOING TO WIN HIS MONEY, YOU NEVER PLAY A HAND"

This is pretty funny actually,a classic.

Little clarification about drinking though: its not about being pressured into drinking if you not want to. Its about not being a nit and maybe take one beer or couple of drinks to keep a huge whale happy if the situation warrants it.

I barely drink any alcohol, and havent done that in the past 3-4 years for several reasons. However, i am not a nit or obsessed with not drinking anything, so if a big whale wants a drinking buddy or offering me a drink, i am certainly hopping on board despite i rarely drink in other instances. I laugh with him, cracks jokes with him and taking couple of rounds with him. You dont need to get drunk, just dont be a nit all the freaking time.

As mentioned being a nit push people away from you (not only at the pokertables for that matter,this is good life lessons as well), and being a true nit is also the reason why many people have a hard time getting action on their good hands at the poker table: and the problem isnt that you fold alot or play tight pre, its the way you act like a nit that people cant stand.

Some people have drinking problems and are better off never having even a single beer, or maybe they had an alcoholic dad who beat them as a child and they'll never want to touch a drink. Granted, this is probably not the case, but it could be.

Sure, there is exceptions to every rule if you dig deep enough. Not gonna argue against that.