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01-23-2022 , 04:58 PM
1/3 300effective 1st hand at table

Villain has showed a little looseness pre flop, also showed flatting AK to go heads up in a pot, called a C-bet on JTx
Check check on blank turn and she lead a K river for a big size that brought in the FD from flop.

OTTH

One limp early position,

Hero has JsTs in MP

Makes it 15

Villain calls in button

Flop 7s2d5c

Hero bet 15
Villain called

My plan was to double barrel any 89TJ or spade. I felt this would be enough to continue on.

Turn is a 2h

Hero check gives up
Villain bets 35,
H folds

I felt this hand is not that interesting, and pretty standard for how I play, but I was wondering how many people continue firing on this turn and if any people don’t bet the flop.

Thanks
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01-23-2022 , 05:18 PM
Yeah, nothing interesting and we have 0 equity here. Even if J peels, we could realistically be behind QJ/KJ/AJ. BTN could also have all 7x combos and we're not blocking any of them.

Personally, I don't even mind giving up on the flop and checking to btn.
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01-23-2022 , 05:27 PM
This is a common situation but one that happens enough that playing it well is important for long term EV.

Should have some checks on the flop, something like 1/3 of the time depending on how good and how sticky villain is. As the preflop raiser you should have more bets then checks. This is a very dead board and a good one to balance hands that you have c-bet aggressively. On the turn hero should have a mix of bets and checks. The best ratio depends on a lot of things. The 2h shouldn't have helped any body so knowing villain's flop calling range is very important. If they are floating too much or calling light too often but will fold to continued pressure then bet turn most of the time. If there flop calling range is mostly made hands that don't give up easily then have a lot of check/fold.
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01-23-2022 , 05:47 PM
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01-23-2022 , 06:21 PM
Ok ty,

So c-betting this hand only around 2/3 of the time, but following those up with a 2nd barrel on this turn sometimes depending on villain.

Does that strategy change with stronger unmade hands without the back doors?

Such as AKo AQo.

I tend to use the back door draws to balance my c-betting range. So will be checking those type hands very often on this rainbow flop.
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01-23-2022 , 06:54 PM
Depends on your image and perceived image at the table. If you're a known nit, absolutely double-barrel and even triple barrel river on improved or garbage rivers. At 1/3 nl though, most players can't be taken off any pair or draw after calling the flop so you should expect more than 50% of time you'll be called OTT. And from your description, this Villain might be stickier than that.

Still you need to "give up" sometimes when your c-bet is called and there's nothing wrong with ch/f. I think double-barreling here is strictly an exploitive play and it's good that you considered this play instead of instant betting/folding.
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01-23-2022 , 07:37 PM
Noob perspective:

I had almost this exact same scenario the other night where I opened pre with AQo, C-bet on a 742 rainbow flop, got called. Then check/folded turn. V showed KK.

I still think the C-bet on a hideous board is usually the right move -- yes, they are likely to have the range advantage, but they're also fairly likely to have two high cards and fold.
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01-23-2022 , 07:54 PM
I would cbet your hand always and only continue to barrel on cards that bring a backdoor or cards that are perceived to be good for your range such as an A. Mixing is pretty hard to accomplish in practice. I think it’s better to just use pure cbet strategies. Mixing is not really needed in live poker IMO.


I would check AK-AQ (to check-call) and cbet wheel aces A3s/A4s and Axs with a BDFD.

Last edited by ChaosInEquilibrium; 01-23-2022 at 07:59 PM.
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01-24-2022 , 02:50 PM
I would probably mostly fold preflop (not convinced that this hand is profitable for me OOP). But our raise got things HU (albeit OOP) so not a horrendous result.

Think I'm ok with a small cbet just so we can get better Ax/Kx/Qx/Jx to fold.

I'm also check/folding this turn.

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01-24-2022 , 04:47 PM
This is not one of your better barrel candidates because you block backdoor flop floats which auto-fold to a bet and it's not as good as KQ, QJ, KJ type stuff which have more equity against JJ-TT in his range, but that matters less the wider his preflop range is.

That said, it's rare for BU to have a strong hand here. I'd expect overbetting turn to be very effective in practice. This hand is a really low EV check so I'd go for a $75 bet.

Edit: Since you asked about flop specifically also, if villain is constructing reasonable preflop flatting ranges this is likely a range check, but considering that he's too wide pre we should be able to put a lot of pressure on his range which has way too many air hands in it. We're just trying to get him to fold random high cards so you could go smaller.
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