2/5 live, 1400 effective, hero opens to 20 in MP with KJcc, super LAG in CO 3-bets to 60, folds around to hero who 4-bets to 150, CO calls. Pot is 300.

Flop is Js 7s 5h. Hero bets 100, CO calls. Pot is 500. Downbetting because this flop misses most 4-bet ranges; 1/3 PSB targets AK/AQ/TT/99.

Turn is the Th. Hero checks, villain bets 300, hero calls. Pot is 1100.

I definitely don’t see villain betting AJs or QQ on the turn since we have AA/KK in our range; and AJs mostly folds pre. For value hands, villain may have a low frequency of AA but probably no KK which we block anyways. We really only lose to JJ and TT. Fairly certain 77, 55, and 2-pair combos are not in villain’s range.

For bluffs, villain can have a few FD and combo draws; not sure if KQs calls pre, but if yes then KQss and hh are in villain's range; or an off-suit AK/AQ trying to fold out the same. Definitely enough combos for us to continue.

Turn is an off-suit Q, hero checks, villain goes all-in for 850 effective; pot is 1950.

I think we need to call here since we don’t block either FD and we don’t expect higher 1 pair hands to take this line except AA infrequently. Villain should never be betting Qx here. In fact, I think we need to call a jam on any river except an A which hits too much of villain’s bluff hands.

Thoughts?

I don't see what's wrong with just flatting the 3b pf. KJs has too much value to turn into a bluff imo. I think it'd be much better to use suited wheel aces if you wanna have more 4b bluffs vs this guy. The sizing is kinda whack too, like 2.5x OOP? We don't really give him incentive to fold most of his range.

Going to echo the poster above and probably just flat the 3! preflop against a superlag, then go into calldown mode once that flop hits.

Calling down all the way to showdown unless spades hit and the sizing makes sense. I don't see a reason to play a huge bloated pot with TPGK, even against a LAG.

AP, turn kinda sucks. His bet is sized well for a river shove and there's about half the deck that we hate. If you really think he's a superLAG and could be doing this with a worse JXs or a spade draw, I might just shove over him for $1150 and really put him to the test. Although at a typical 2/5 game that would definitely not be my standard play.

4b sizing is very bad if you’re going to 4b.

Flop and turn std, river. QQ should be a bet ott as V, most ppl dont protect their x range and even if you do he probably doesnt expect population to do that

River just sucks, depending on how wide he calls pre dont hate a call but it’s marginal at best. In a vacuum just folding since he has so much value here and ppl tend to underbluff in large pots. He has all sets and a good amount of AK/98s, can even be value betting two pairs since people would rarely x/c AK nfd ott. Not exactly sure what pio does but id imagine turn is a high frequency check with our range. Could be wrong tho

Suited wheel aces are best, but doesn't any hand that's at the top of your normally fold-to-3-bet range work as a 4-bet bluff? (Don't 4-bet all of them all the time obviously.)

My thought was that a SLAG would have enough 3-bet bluffs that fold to a 4-bet pre-flop; and if he's instead calling with a bunch of those hands, then we can take down the pot often with a cbet as so many of them miss. But I see why you both advocate for calling with this hand instead.

I would fold KJs OOP to a more typical live low stakes player's 3-bet, and so I decided that that was still the top of my normally fold-to-3-bet hand, but against this player's wide 3-betting range, KJs would've been strong enough to call.

What would be a better sizing for an OOP 4-bet?

You're OOP and 1400 deep, so at the very least 200 imo, preferably bigger. With this sizing there's basically no need for villain to fold anything.

I don't want to 4bet KJs though, much rather call, even OOP.

Vs a LAG KJs isnt really at the top of your folding range, but yeah depending on your strat that’s fine.

I dont hate the 4b pre but if you do you gotta make it way bigger at least $200 this deep and you need to be careful about your frequencies. It’s very easy to say “i dont do this often or all the time” but that’s literally what OPs say every 5 threads. Something I do is randomize by suits for 3-betting (eg 3b KJo certain suits BB vs SB and the rest flat, or KQo 3b BTN vs CO), obv who im playing also matters.

Lol, very true. I suspect I am guilty of this. I shoot myself in the foot with FPS way more than I should.

Call ckc ckc ckc

I mean, your 4b sizing probably didn't narrow much, so a case could be made that you are facing the same range as if you had just flatted pre. Still, the Qx pairs all his combo draws and he also has a healthy does of AK so this may have gotten a bit out of hand to bluff catch. Guy like this probably bombs rivers>check with tp, maybe. Tough one.