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07-28-2010 , 08:57 AM

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DiegoArmando

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The thought has crossed my mind.

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07-28-2010 , 10:56 PM

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nddst

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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe

Man... where I play these guys 4bet shove with JJ left and right and call huge 4bets with any PP. You guys need to find some new games!

I played in NY last week and there was a 3 way all in A7s vs. QTs vs. 99 (45bb effective stacks)

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07-28-2010 , 10:58 PM

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schlep

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When the nit blows the dust off of his chips before 3 betting you preflop when you raise UTG and he´s in the big blind.

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07-28-2010 , 11:41 PM

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BigSkip

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Originally Posted by schlep

When the nit blows the dust off of his chips before 3 betting you preflop when you raise UTG and he´s in the big blind.

Or he min-raises from the button.

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07-29-2010 , 02:26 AM

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1on1pooltournys

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Originally Posted by venice10

I'm beginning to suspect a level account. Terre Haute IN is an unusual place, but I'd be surprised that it was about the only place in the US that NL poker is only in the last year taking over from limit in home games. On top of this comment.

Not sure what this means?

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07-29-2010 , 07:00 AM

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venice10

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Originally Posted by 1on1pooltournys

Not sure what this means?

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Originally Posted by 1on1pooltournys

My town was mostly all limit games....but in the past year 1-2NL has really caught on and there are now games about 5 nights a week. I'm still a poker novice and have lots to learn, but I beat these games consistently. I went from a bank roll of about 500 to over 4,000 in just the past month. I am going to ride it out as long as it lasts.

You also wrote you're from Terre Haute in another post.

You really expect this forum to believe that 7 years after the Moneymaker boom, people in Terre Haute are just now starting to play NL in home games?

Or that you think it is great that you flop top set and allowed someone to runner-runner you without getting a good portion of your stack in?

Possibly you are a complete noob to poker and Terre Haute poker is exceptionally weak, but things aren't adding up. The more likely explanation is that you're a troll.

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07-29-2010 , 10:11 AM

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DiegoArmando

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HAHA, seems likely. Especially when someone says they have run up a bankroll from very little to being able to play 2/5 then ask if 300bb deep means you've been in the bb 300 times. My apologies if that was genuine, but I found that really funny.

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07-30-2010 , 02:18 AM

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8o8

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lawl

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07-30-2010 , 09:15 AM

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Erreek

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Originally Posted by 1on1pooltournys

So..how do you do it? I have ran into aces several times and got all my money in. I just am not sure how to lay those hands down!!?? I have always been under the assumption that I have to gamble and will win these bets more than lose pre-flop??

its all in the wrist
when you see loose money raise
when you see tight money play a tight line

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07-30-2010 , 04:27 PM

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1on1pooltournys

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Originally Posted by venice10

There were nothing but limit games in this town until about 2 years ago. I have already stated that I'm new on the poker scene, Einstein.

It is more likely that you are a troll than I, seeing the number of posts you have.

Have a nice day!!

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07-30-2010 , 05:32 PM

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venice10

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Originally Posted by 1on1pooltournys

There were nothing but limit games in this town until about 2 years ago. I have already stated that I'm new on the poker scene, Einstein.

Congrats, I can't top the connection of these two sentences.

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07-30-2010 , 06:42 PM

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1on1pooltournys

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Originally Posted by venice10

Congrats, I can't top the connection of these two sentences.

Of course you can't. Your comprehension skills can't go beyond the words you see on a screen. I gamble for a living. I've played poker for at least 8 years, but have recently took it on full time in order to make a living, or at least supplement my income for awhile. The action here is very soft, so somebody like myself with an education (master's degree and gambling education) can easily make money in these games. I lived in my town my entire life, and know all the gamblers, which includes poker players. This is how I would know that for years the only game around here was a nitty 3/6 limit game at the Vfw 3 days a week.

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07-30-2010 , 07:03 PM

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KK I never fold PF in a cash game
QQ, It has to be a very specific situation like huge stack against known huge nit etc.
I've been in a AIPF QQ vs AA situation against a local big nit reg but I only had 40BB at the time so I went with it because I knew he would play AK the same against such a stack.
So for QQ I don't say never, but folding KK pf in a cash game should be against the law imo.

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08-03-2010 , 05:55 PM

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1on1pooltournys

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I did it

Saturday Night...Folded K,K pre-flop after a 3 bet from a player I respect..after much talking and contemplating I folded them and he said, "Great Fold" and turned over two black aces.

It is unreal I have had K,K up against A,A at least 4 times in past 10 sessions or so.

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08-04-2010 , 01:28 AM

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starrazz

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Originally Posted by venice10

CMAR explains it all.

The quick answer is that you don't fold without a terrific read.

However, there is a bit more. When people wonder about folding, it is often because they've needlessly put them in position where they feel forced to call. A classic case is when you raise with KK in EP pf, someone in LP 3bets, you 4bet and they shove over. You're pretty sure they must have AA at this point to 5bet shove. However, you've put 1/2 your stack in already and know it is bad to get half your stack in and fold pf.

The solution is to not 4bet. Against even a range of QQ+, AK, you have a significant edge in card strength to make up for being oop. Just call the 3bet. Just make sure you do this with AA too. You aren't afraid heads up of the flop with AA or KK. If it is multiway, then you're getting your stack in whether you shove pf or call and see a flop. Therefore, just jam it in.

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