When do you move up to live 5/10NL?

I'm a winning live 1/2NL and live 2/5NL player.
I'm also a winning 1/2 online player.
I'm break even at 2/4 limit online.
I've lost at the shot's I've taken at 3/6NL online.

I have enough bankroll (over 50 buyins) for 5/10NL.
But I haven't moved up to 5/10 yet.

If I play 5/10 I won't always be the best player at the table.
But I want to learn to play better and I think I'll learn faster if I play better players.

I'd like to hear from people who play 5/10+NL Live and see what I need to know.

Haven't played 5/10, but some general thought on moving up are linked here.

The online level I've seen compared to 5/10 live most often is 1/2. If you can beat 2/5 live, beat 1/2 online and have a 50 buy-in bankroll, I'd say you're ready. At the very least you can start taking some shots.

I haven't played a ton of 5/10 NL but here are the differences I've noticed:

At 2/5 NL, you can generally beat it with a straightforward level 1 TAG game. The fish tend to be either loose passive calling stations you can value bet to death or weak tight rocks you can steal from. The LAGs and maniacs you run into tend to be not that good and are exploitable.

At 5/10 NL, you'll run into more thinking competent players. There will still be fish, but they will tend to be more aggressive then your loose passive calling stations at 2/5. You'll see more rich businessmen who like to splash around and control the action. You'll also run into some good LAGs who you may have to employ some 2nd or 3rd level thinking against. You'll see things like double and triple barreling and river c/r bluffs which you hardly ever see at 2/5.

You also need to game select. At of a lot of places there will only be 1 or 2 5/10 games running. If the 5/10 game is full of competent thinking players who could be online winners, and there are buttery soft 2/5 tables around, play 2/5.

1-2 NL = Dennys
2-5 NL = IHOP

Essentially same game but IHOP costs more and has better pancakes and that cute chocochip funny face with whipped cream. Better restaurant.

5-10 NL = Outback steakhouse.

Wtf, much bigger jump, prices significantly higher, food of only somewhat more marginal quality, god that blooming onion thing though. Gonna have to work hard to play that game.


1-2 and 2-5 can be beaten by solid ABC poker with an emphasis on valuebetting your hands and not slowplaying or being tricky. The same (in my experiences) can't be said about 5-10. There will be some fish everyone is trying to beat up on, and then some people who will completely dominate you when in position, slamming you on every street for a tough decision.

OP, are you talking about the 5/10NL at Fallsview?
It's a tougher game because they are all soul readers, expect a lot more bluffing and really aggressive players. They prey on the weak. However, they are very exploitable.
You might be ready. Just have to adjust to the fact you could be losing very big pots.

Two thing I need to know before I can give a good reply.

First is the 5/10 games you are looking to play in capped or uncapped? If uncapped what is the average buy-in/stack in the game?

Is the 5/10 games you are looking to play in the highest game spread in the room?

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if you have 50 BIs and are beating 1/2 online you should be able to crush 5/10 at Fallsview

Also, you should take your shot on Thursday, Friday or Saturday night when they are spreading 10/20 and 10/25 as well

ive only played as high as 2/5 but i would think it may come down to table/game selection(as always). if there is a soft 2/5 game why play the tough 5/10 game right? maybe try and play in the game that you think you have the best expectation in but maybe take a few shots at the 5/10 and see how it goes as well.

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5/10 in Vegas is good quite a bit of the time thurs. thru Sunday. A big difference in the 5/10 is the aggression. You should be able to determine after a while who is doing the good aggression and who is doing the bad. (and there is plenty of bad). You will have to determine how the 5/10 is where you are. Even sweat the game some just to see the freq of limped pots, 3 betting etc. compared to your 2/5.

I suggest game select and buyin 80-100bb only. I also suggest playing somewhat ABC until you get the feel for the players and what they are capable of. No fancy 87ss semi-bluffing etc until you get a real good feel for the gameflow and what the average villain will do in routine circumstances.

There is quite a bit of 3 betting both IP and OOP so you must adjust any limping that you do as well as calling of small raises. I find that exploiting others aggression is huge by totally misrepresenting your hand since many aggressive players have ego that they can read you well. There should be quite a few just fish businessmen players as well and they dont think at all hardly.

The higher you go, the more aggressive many wealthy fish get with draws because its the only hand they can play comfortably/aggressively other than monsters/ (and gives them a sense of "power poker")

But if you are bankrolled, and winner at 2/5 (good winner that is), then just slip in, take it slow, and you will be fine. After awhile it will begin to feel like home just like the 2/5 does.

5/10 live generally easier than 1/2 online

+1, also depending on site. I consistantly beat 1/2 & 2/5, biggest adjustment for me to 5/10 was the aggression and pot size. Many 5/10 games I play avg 200-250 BB which makes things interesting. Other than that 50 BI's should be plenty to at least take a shot. It goes without saying that if your br is that deep, a shot at 5/10 shouldn't put a dent in it for 2/5 if you fail right away.

Thanks for all the replies!

I'm talking about the 5/10 games at Fallsview.

It's capped at $1000 buyin but the table usually plays very deep.

Leaving now to take my shot at 5/10.

Feeling a bit "Rounders"

I've put aside 5 buyins for this. I'll report back.

results?

he leave town?

While waiting for 5/10NL I sat down in a 2/5NL game that was so good I couldn't leave it.
I'll try again later.

if poker is your only source of income, at the most, take a few buy in shots at a capped 5.10 game. Bellagio has a $1500 cap, and you can table select and there is usually a fish game. if you can beat 1/2 online for a good sample size you can beat 5/10 live. I still think 1/2 online is much harder than the average 5/10 live.

You grinding this weekend? I'll be at Fallsview Thurs-Sun... as I am every weekend

Fallsview 5/10 is a joke. Buffalo, Ivan, and James are good players. The rest are complete fish. Errol, the loud guy always saying "bird is the word" is good as well but prone to tilting once he loses a large pot. The rest are horrible. Watch out for collusion as well, it's frequent at the 5/10 game there. Standard tringle limp/call/re-smash collusion. You should do well, just let them hang themselves.