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When to apply T pressure (and when not to) When to apply T pressure (and when not to)

10-29-2018 , 12:30 PM
The live game I play in is super call and overcall happy preflop.
On the flop, they will continue with anything down to a gutshot.

Let's look at the typical case of 3 callers of my open.
Part 1 of the problem is, which frequency and size to cbet.
I will only value cbet top pair or better.
I add flushdraws, SD and gutshots with overcards as semibluffs.
Everything else I consider burning money.

Typical opponents will call the flop pretty light, i.e. with any pair and any kind of draw. On the other hand they will also correctly trap with their 2 pair or better.
How do I proceed on the Turn if unimproved?
10-29-2018 , 01:05 PM
The mods closed your other thread while I was writing a more detailed response than "who knew" (some Villains like to raise a lot with the best hand). Here is what I wrote.

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Some serious thoughts about this ...

Research that thing called "entitlement tilt". The better player rarely has 100% equity in "stupid play" situations. By definition, that means the fish win now and then. It happens. Get over it. Without them the game would not be as profitable, or profitable at all. Learn how to say "nice hand" and mean it. Your mental model has to include getting sucked out on now and then.

Start concentrating on making the best decisions, and not on results. Track your win rate, not the number of times you get sucked out on. "Get your mind right", bad beats mean you are making good decisions and the fish are not. "Be water".

Have a bankroll suitable for getting sucked out on three or four times in a row. Have the mental capital to accept that it happens. Somewhere in this forum is a thread discussing "The Abyss", when multiple sessions occur each with multiple suck-outs therein. Expectation is not Guarantee unless we play "long enough" - which could be years. Or longer.

Our mental model has to "predict the unpredictable" to be realistic. Lose as little as we can when we think we are probably beat. Even a fish can flop a 100-to-1 flush or bink a two-outer. Or a one-outer. Control ourselves, that's all we can really control. If fish didn't win a hand now and then they would become extinct in our ecosphere.

We are not alone in getting sucked out on. We ARE alone if we think it only happens to us. Be all we can be. Hint: we can't play perfectly. Fortunately, we don't have to.

Others can tell you these basic truths more eloquently. Take them to heart and mature as a player. Ignore them at the risk of your mental health and win rate. Select games where you are MORE likely to get sucked out on. Smile sincerely when it happens, you are where you should be. The world is right and we are wrong.

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
10-29-2018 , 01:08 PM
Wait, "typical opponents"? Don't you mean idiots?
10-29-2018 , 01:18 PM
Probably too vague a question with too many "it depends" (our position, the board and how it's running out, the opponents that we ended up against, the stacks, etc.).

Overall, I think mostly multiway pots boil down to not building too big a pot for the strength of our hand, so I would by default tailor my play around that and would need some pretty good reasons to do otherwise.

GcluelessNLnoobG
10-29-2018 , 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Probably too vague a question with too many "it depends" (our position, the board and how it's running out, the opponents that we ended up against, the stacks, etc.).

Overall, I think mostly multiway pots boil down to not building too big a pot for the strength of our hand, so I would by default tailor my play around that and would need some pretty good reasons to do otherwise.

GcluelessNLnoobG
My room plays the same way OP this guy hit it dead on. Players are calling with any piece all the way, this includes bottom pair, gutshots, backdoors, etc.

You can print money but it takes patience. Value bet your strong hands, fold when passive players reraise you unless nutted or reads on aggro fish with draws.

Take free cards in mutliway pots while in position more often then cbetting when your hand isn't made yet.

That it.
10-29-2018 , 01:29 PM
OP. Please re-read post #2 ITT multiple times, read this thread, stop calling your Vs idiots (even to yourself), and stop posting overly broad questions ITF where the only answer can be "it depends."
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