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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
How are the players? Depends on how aggressively you would get 4bet by the orginal raiser and also cold 4bet by anyone behind and how often you get cold called and called by the pfr.
And how tight are they opening to begin with?
You can look up a gto chart to get the baseline but you will want to adjust based on these other considerations.
Just building off this - a base line 3bet range will change depending on the position of the opener in live games but also dependent upon the player themself. If they're in there raising with a frequency that approaches what you'd expect from someone who maybe looked at a PF chart at least a few times in their life its wider than the weak passive gen pop live room player. The weak but not so passive though i'd lump into the former category moreso than the tighter range.
Also - the kind of player they are will usually let you know if their raising range is elastic based off position or if its just a static set of hands only no matter the position.
Regarding your specific example I'm going to tighten up a bit and probably drop most bluffs and not worry about polarizing my range whatsoever. A loose passive raising range maybe bottoms out at QQ+, AQs+, AKo. I've seen even some slightly active players limp call AKo but raise AJs - weird idiosyncratic behaviors based off some bizarre strat they wrote themselves.
And you can widen that range as the position on the linear scale of weak passive ---> somewhat active but still mediocre reg isnt just fixed points but adaptive to what you glean from their play. I'd definitely start adding back some polarized bluffs there too but way less than what would be standard according to most PF charts say.
So vs the above range of a loose passive Id stil be 3betting something like TT+ or JJ+ KJs+, and AKo. Maybe somethin like ATs or KTs could be in there for somethin i'd shift most suited connectors to call (56s, 67s, 78s) until sufficient evidence presents that its wider than that.
As far as tightening up that range maybe drop KTs, KJs and TT and swap out ATs for AJs say since its highly unlikely they'll ever realize the disitinction in your calling range/3bet range with em etc.
You can prolly keep that same range from the HJ for all the UTG positions from a loose passive villain. And if you wanna start adding more hands A5s plays well and hit a wheel or A3s for board coverage (again, not as necessary as opponents are not thinking of things like that)