I c/r’d a guy last night. I was SB w/ 9To. Limped pot. Flop 678ccs. I check, BB checks, other check, buttons pots, I call, BB calls. Flop is 3x, I check, BB shoves for $24 left, BTN calls, I make it $80, BTN shoves $200ish, I snap and scoop. BTN has 67 and BB had 32.

Got me thinking, I NEVER c/r. Never. I’m probably in the once every 20 hr range which isn’t great.

On average how often due you c/r over a large sample size. Not looking for any certain scenarios just your average. Thanks.

Maybe I do it more than most, because I started out in limit hold'em, and the x/r is a much more powerful tool there, because it's often the only way to get more money in the pot.

In NL it's very opponent/spot specific, but it's still a big part of my arsenal. Against LAGgy players I'm often checking to them and letting them take the betting lead, and if I have a monster, I'll obviously raise it. Against TAGs I'll use it as part of a more balanced strategy with a mix of bluffs and value.

If you're never check/raising, you're probably missing out on a lot of value when you are betting into people who have a bigger betting range than they do calling range. Against stationy players, just bet/bet/bet. But against more aggressive players, you need to be checking to them a bit more often.

Not much at all.

C/R is fine if your goal is to get one bet from the villain. But when I have a strong hand, I want to get 2 or 3 streets of value......where it's easier to do if I am doing the betting myself....or depending on the villain, I can check call and walk the dog. The last thing I want to go against a real aggressive loose villain is to take away his chance to bluff.

A good time to checkraise is when a V is C-betting way too often and is opening very wide. If you know that, on certain boards, you can C/R as a bluff to pick up an extra bet.

I really don't c/r that much for value. Usually when I do it's OTT with a monster when I need to do so in order to get enough money in the pot to set up getting stacks in. Im sure I'm missing spots where I could going for much thinner value when OOP. Im trying to work on that.

I use the c/r much more against players who c-bet flop way too often and their sizing is transparent. I actually just got in this type of spot today. V had been raising PF a lot and I caught on that his c-bet sizing was larger when he had TP+ and smaller when he had a lesser hand. Was able to utilize a flop c/r to pick up 2 pots off of him in about 90min. I had a pretty clean and tight image at the time though.

Appreciate all the thoughts. I see a reasonable # of opportunities to c/r but it's so blatantly strong that I always expect V to fold anything but the nuts and yet they call w/ all kinds of garbage I'm going to work it in more.

FightingIllini - This hand was at your home course, Hollywood STL.

Like koss said. Player specific. Against good players I try to "range merge" some of my calling flop type hands with monsters but it also depends how you are playing. A good player is likely to fold big hands vs a x/r vs someone who never usually does this.

I like to use the extra FE from c/r to get hands to fold instead of call esp otf, mostly semibluffs with good equity but have no showdown value. Mostly my frequencies are very low since we shouldn't be calling OOP very often

I x/r decently often, but rarely as the PF aggressor. Much more likely to x/r if I called from the blinds or called a 3-bet OOP.

It depends on the kind of style you play, because the x/r raise is inherently polarized.

If you play a tight, linear range it's probably not going to be a big part of your arsenal. Just hit TPTK+ and bet/bet/bet.

If you're playing more speculative hands (suited connectors, small pocket pairs) it's a lot more frequent because you have both more draws and more monsters that can stack TPTK.

Also, I've found this is one of the easiest things to adjust in real-time:
- If I've recently pulled off the x/r with a monster (ex. set) and gotten to showdown I'll start doing it more with draws
- Vice versa, if I've hit a few x/r semibluffs and saw fellows with over-pairs get frustrated, I up the frequency of doing it with the big made hands (and simply call some draws)

I think I've probably increased my check/raise frequency over the years. Part of it has to do with my well ingrained nit image that people are aware of, so donking into multiway pots with monsters ain't as beneficial as it once was (as more people are capable of folding the mediocre hands I am looking to build value against and meanwhile draws really aren't making that much of a mistake calling in position especially if it ends up going multiway). Plus my tables are likely playing a bit more aggro now so people more willing to take shots with draws / etc. So I find the biggest mistake I can typically make people do on the flop now is have them aggro bet their mediocre hands / draws and then charge them way too much to chase (which also goes in line with my thinking that no one folds a draw on the flop).

And now that I'm typically playing more shorter stacked than I did in the past, I can comfortable check/raise (to commit on turn or even shove on the flop) both my sets on drawy boards as well as my good draws.

A lot of this also follows my preflop thinking as well (where I mostly limp my hands until LP, often going for a limp/reraise).

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This is really the key, imo. And overall I feel the makeup of the typical opponent has moved far away from the hurp durp clueless calling station to more towards the with-a-clue-and-knows-what-is-going-on aggro opponent.

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