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11-20-2008 , 09:03 PM

GrandMelon

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Villain is xLeastzx 14/8 over a smallish sample, seems meh. No real history, he might of caught me bluff raising his cbets or something but nothing major

Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $215.00
BTN: $394.00
SB: $225.60
BB: $604.60
UTG: $400.00
Hero (UTG+1): $813.65
MP1: $224.00
MP2: $301.10

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG+1 with A

1 fold, Hero raises to $16, 3 folds, BTN calls $16, 2 folds

Flop: ($38.00) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $24, BTN calls $24

Turn: ($86.00) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $60, BTN raises to $354 all in,

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11-20-2008 , 09:49 PM

lionking130

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i think ur range dont have much here (that stands ai) and u 2b that turn a lot (?) too so against anyone thinking i think this would be a call. but am not too sure now..

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11-20-2008 , 09:58 PM

soah

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doubt you're ahead here too often, maybe chopping sometimes. if you're ahead he probably has a club. Much of your range is an ace with a club, or a set, so he's probably expecting you to call a lot here (and he may expect you to be call with AK no club too). And there are cheaper ways for him to bluff. So his hand is usually better than AK and you do poorly against hands that beat AK. 14/8 is probably coldcalling a decent amount of suited hands on the button.

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11-20-2008 , 10:01 PM

sparky999

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i'm thinking baby flush a lot here, maybe he peels you with AK and the Kc but i don't know if someone with those stats pays the hand this way, it could be a chop but i doubt it,kinda a weird spot if you guys have somehistory i guess but otherwise i just give it up a lot here i think

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11-20-2008 , 11:59 PM

DoubleFly

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I fold and am pretty happy he didn't get more money out of me.

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11-21-2008 , 12:10 AM

goldseraph

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I like a fold since there isn't any crazy history between you too, and 8 pfrs arent likely to bluff or semibluff shove in this spot.

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11-21-2008 , 12:22 AM

lionking130

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wow like i agree that fold isnt bad against him but do u guys raalize ur folding like ur whole range here ? do u call sets ?

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11-21-2008 , 02:02 AM

soah

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Originally Posted by lionking130

wow like i agree that fold isnt bad against him but do u guys raalize ur folding like ur whole range here ? do u call sets ?

I'm only folding hands which lack sufficient equity against his range to call. do you suggest something else?

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11-21-2008 , 08:04 AM

mburke05

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so if we have AxKc here is it a fold as well? i think not, but what is the threshold for hands that play well against his range?

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11-21-2008 , 10:29 AM

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soah

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that probably has better equity vs his range than AQ but I often wouldn't bet it

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11-21-2008 , 12:40 PM

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13_Xerxes

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I call because I am sure to hit one of my 4 outs on the river.

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11-22-2008 , 02:13 AM

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lionking130

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@soah
if u percieve his range and his tendencies like that then u should not be betting the turn at all......

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11-22-2008 , 10:41 AM

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ranka

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I fold.

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11-23-2008 , 01:32 PM

#14

speedle

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Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes

I call because I am sure to hit one of my 4 outs on the river.

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Originally Posted by ranka

I fold.

I agree with these because it takes into account what each poster represents:

- ranka's opinions are usually spot on.

- Xerxes's opinions are usually spot on, except you have to choose the exact opposite of what he said because he was trying to level you the whole time.

That being said, this is a fold because that guy sounds a lot like an unimaginative nitty guy and he can't really expect you to be b/folding this card with no previous history.

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11-23-2008 , 10:27 PM

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DMACM

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I think I fold. There is no way he does this with just an AJ type hand no real lesser two pairs. I dont think he does this with a flush draw very often. Im guessing set 30% made flush 40% K

20% anything else 10%. Seems like a fold to me

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11-26-2008 , 09:32 AM

#16

CopTHIS

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Originally Posted by lionking130

@soah
if u percieve his range and his tendencies like that then u should not be betting the turn at all......

That makes little sense to be honest, and it's an obvious fold against someone like that.

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