1/2 local casino late at night. I just arrived and am 140 deep.

I complete SB with AT 5 ways to the flop.

Flop (10) AJT I lead for $7. folds to MP Asian 40ish who raises to 20. He has me covered. All others fold.

With no reads how much heat do you stand? What is your plan if turn is a diamond? a K or Q? a blank?

Well what could a random 1/2 villain's range be for raising this flop?

with no info on vil I'm probably calling and folding if the board gets any worse. Only 70bb though I don't know if I can get away here.

It's my first orbit and the first time anyone has raised a flop bet.

In a limped pot you really need to see the Turn here .. check .. and see what he does. By flatting his raise you are letting him take control of the pot. So let him bet out on Turn ... if he checks, you are more than likely ahead and the pot is set up for 3-betting the River if you want to with your stack behind at $118 into $50.

You can also bet out again on the Turn as his range is HUGE and could have flush/straight draws and ANY 1 pair hands. You certainly have Ax crushed here so make him pay to draw with $30. If he check raises again it very well could be a fold but you only have $88 left into 198 if he shoves. If he is drawing, then he gave himself (actually you) the wrong price to work with at 2.25 to 1.

Do you have another bullet to play with? You are very correct that any diamond, K or Q makes your life tough. I think you are ahead of flush draws, Jx, 89, Ax type of hands and the fact that you called his riase will slow him down in most cases. Remember this was a limped pot .. how big are the other stacks? If large, then someone should have raised this hand if even sniffing a nice holding. Bet out and don't be afriad of a shove if you have more bullets in your pocket. GL

A bit more info would be helpful: How many people were to act after the raise to $20? If he's raising with 1 or 2 people behind it's different than if there's 4 still to act. The fewer the people, the weaker the hand could be.

Since he limped in, the range is huge. You're most likely ahead, and the raise on a scary board could be him betting into a draw; trying to get everyone to fold to him.

As played I would flat call, then check in the dark (if heads-up) to see how villian reacts to the turn. If he bets, I re-raise any non K, Q or Diamond. If a scare card does fall & he bets, I can fold and live for another hand.

I don´t want to derail but raise pre. If you´re playing you cards for their ability to make a good top pair, raise pre, get a bigger pot and narrow the field, and set it up so you can win the pot without showdown.

Yes, they limp/call AQ, they also limp call T8, K4, A3.

Raise Pre!

As Played Call Flop and Reevaluate Turn. If Turn and River is a Blank I might call him down or bet if checked to.

With the small mini raise and the implied odds you have I would just call and reevaluate on the turn. The mini raise at these stakes is usually a tell from weaker players that they have the nuts. Some times you run in to a more competent player raising with the flush draw, but not often as they would usually raise more. Try to play a small pot unless you fill up or fold the turn to larger bets unless you fill up.

Why aren't we betting $10 or 15?!? Board is dripping wet, so much random crap will call us

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If we raise pre we stack off. Limped, I fold this right now. We are SAWB to all but TJ.

What is the point of evaluating? I think what people mean is ´draw with bad odds disguised as evaluating´.

I mean, do we want to see a blank on the turn before committing? Folding? We think he´s often drawing? Really? How often?

If he did this with Ax this time, it makes no difference as those times are hugely outweighed by the nuts, the third nuts and the fifth nuts here.

Quick straw poll: how many others like to raise ATo from the SB after five unknown limpers?
I can't imagine ever doing that myself.

I agree. Basically makes all worse aces fold and all better call and make you play a dominated hand oop. I could see possibly raising atS for a smallerish amount if some of the limpers were really weak loose passive calling stations and stacks were deeper.

I like the limp preflop; I hate playing weak Aces like this at tables where AK is most likely being limped by building a big pot OOP. If there was maybe just one or two weak ABC limpers I could get on board with a raise, but otherwise I just complete.

I probably fold two pair hands more than I should, and I would consider folding the flop. It depends how many people are behind Villain when he raises (the more people there are the stronger his hand, imo). But in general, there's not a lotta worse hands that are raising here. A pair + draw, really? Don't they just call here? The only hand we're really ahead of here is JT and possibly a fairly aggro AK/AQ (who are aggro enough to raise the flop but not preflop?). I just don't see how things get much better on the turn; after we check, he's still going to bet all the hands that we're still ahead of, so I'm not sure re-evaluating really helps being OOP.

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I am never raising out if posituon.

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I fold pf this early in the game way before I'd call. Raising would be more of a matter of table dynamics. If the table looks dead and everyone is going through the motions, I like a raise. If the table looks lively and people are in a gambling mood, I fold pf.

From the villain's perspective, he knows you have at least Ax because you wouldn't bet into 4 people without it. You have to discount a FD because the ace is out. The decision is this: Are you stacking off? If yes, then call the raise because the stacks will go in by the river. If not, then fold to the raise now.

The only way to make your decision making worse is to call the raise and hope he doesn't bet the turn.

thanks to venice for bringing up folding preflop! I complete in the SB less than most people, but would probably call here. Why do I do this? Sure my hand is better than many/most of the limpers, but I'll be out of position postflop, guaranteeing I lose more when behind and win less when ahead.

When you think you're so tight that your eyeballs are going to pop out, you STILL find places to tighten up some more.

Fold to the raise to 20. The only hand you're beating is JT. A draw would want to keep people in the hand not risk getting bet off his draw to win your 7 dollar lead on the flop.

My instincts were telling me to fold on the flop. I agree this is a made hand much more often than a draw. It's very unlkely he has AA or KK here (or TT since it's the last 2 tens) but KQ, and AJ are very likely to limp pre-flop and raise here to charge the draws. Some draws with good equity (like Kx or Qx could be raising, but I think it's more likely the draws flat and hope others call to build the pot than to raise.

I think calling the flop raise is fine, but I think without improvement, I should fold to any future bets.

I'm not good enough to fold pre, but I don't have it in me to limp a broadway ace either. I'm probably at 3-4x. Not a big iso raise (we are in SB, after all), but enough to punish the limpers and build the pot a bit so if it hits we can get money in quicker. Imo, Raising>Folding>>>>>>>Limping (and I know I'm in the minority here).

As played it's a tough spot. V almost assuredly has a hand (of course, with broadway flops EVERYONE has a hand lol), but we've got a good hand, and we still have a redraw to a boat, so I'm not folding. Probably call and check most turns.