Ok fine, maybe you are onto some crazy concepts that I had never heard of.

Please help me understand how can someone have 60% equity in a hand and have lower expected value without any action.

Did you just compare poker to a coin flip? Jesus christ.

It is called over realizing and under realizing equity. You can have over 50% equity but be an underdog in the hand from an Expected Value point of view because of the composition of your preflop holdings.

Comparing poker to a coin flip is just LOL

I am even more confused now - how does frequency play a role in this discussion?

Well no, they are not similar. Donking is an action that changes EV, checking is a non-action that doesn't change EV.

Just think about river scenario. Equity doesn't change but obviously result can change if someone bets, and thus EV changes. Check/check in a HU situation doesn't change anything.

In a 50/50 situation, it is often the easiest to use coin flip scenario that most people already understand.

Yes, but how do you do that without any action? How can someone NOT realize equity if there isn't an action?

No...you cannot. I don't think I can actually simplify this most basic concept for you.

LOL...

No, not true.

Every decision you make has an EV attached to it. Folding is the only Zero EV action you make at a poker table.

The EV of donking and checking are usually similar if not the exact same. I am talking about situations where Game Theory dictates certain ranges to bet at a much high frequency than check, even though their EV is the same or similar.

And the equation that is needed to find these high frequency donk spots.

Also in your last example of Check/Check OTR. You don't know your opponent is going to check behind - that is why checking has a certain EV and betting has a certain EV.

Ok, everyone stop with the insults or I'm going to start handing out bans. If you don't understand something, ask. Don't just type, "LOL"

Garick, feel free to lock this whenever you're ready.

Actually you are very incorrect, sir.

Folding changes EV by resetting it to 0.

Checking doesn't change EV...as I had illustrated by the river scenario, in which H is last to act and checks behind. How can checking change EV?

It's not...V cannot fold to a check.

Oh brother, here we go again.

Frequency does have a role in EV calculation, but I fail to see how you are bridging it in this thread.

You are correct that I do not know whether my opponent will change EV by betting after I check, but that still doesn't change the fact that checking doesn't change EV.

But you see, if my opponent checks behind, he doesn't change EV.

grunch: setting up a future action. when choices feel similar expectation wise, it can be good to take the worse seeming one for meta.

Hey man, I like the premise of what I think you are asking in this thread. It can be interesting to discuss whether there is merit to donk bet more, but the choices you are presenting are not making much sense.

By the way, "EV advantage" to me means positive EV, meaning that I will win $ in the long term.

And I realize that you are comparing EV advantage the same way that you are comparing equity and I know that you do not believe I know anything, but that's not the correct comparison.

Yes the line that suggest you should read some fundamentals is out of line - I apologize.

I am not here to insult you.

Yeah, that went about as I expected, even with the warning. Locked.