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Originally Posted by Yeodan
My question isn't so much about the theoretical / strategical part of poker, but more about specific skills required to win in a live setting.
An easy example would be keeping track of the pot and the stack size of everyone at the table.
Which is actually quite hard and a lot of info to keep track of constantly. At least for me.
What are some of these skills specific to live games?
How important is each of these skills and which ones are the most important?
A few I can think of and how important I think they are in my games:
- hiding tells (10/10)
- reading tells (2/10) (more important vs very bad players)
- tracking pot size (6/10) (you can just count the pot but it wastes important time and might give off tells)
- tracking opponents stack size (7/10) (again you can look at any time, but it might give away info)
- remembering player tendencies (8/10) (you can't tag or easily take notes live)
Note that I am looking for skills specific to live games, so anything that is also important in an online game does not qualify, some examples: value betting, bluffing, bet sizing, ...
I assume most (all?) of these skills are going to be things that online sites just tell you by default, so there's no need to track them, like stack size and pot size.
I wonder if there are any I'm overlooking.
Hiding tells is way too high. Firstly - we’re in a pandemic, just wear a mask if you’re worried about hiding tells. Shaking hands - that stops when you’re comfortable with the money (for most people)
Reading tells - blah. I might win a pot or 2 every session from bet sizing tells or something, but it’s not really super important
Tracking pot size is very important. A good trick is just count by 5s if you’re playing 1/2 or 1/3. If the pot is 27, just say 30, etc.
Tracking opponents stack size - while it’s important, it’s less important than tracking the pot size. I don’t care what every person in the table has if they aren’t in the pot. Knowing your opponents stack sizes can be figured out very quickly.
Player tendencies are very important.
Not all of the below are specifically skills, per say, but defiantly should be known
Knowing who is on your left is very important. Not just immediate left, but the remaining players every hand. If you’re in the HJ and you know the next 2 players are nits, you basically have 3 buttons
Knowing the blinds. Same example as above, you’re in HJ, 2 nits in CO/BTN and then a whale in the SB, I’m raising value hands pre bigger than normal. If I know the whale will call a 10x open -> 10x is the open. It doesn’t matter if it looks ridiculous, most people will have no ****ing clue what you’re doing anyway.
If you’re really new, I usually suggest to people to verbalize all their actions until they are comfortable, especially bets and raises. There aren’t many worse feelings than when you are trying to bet/raise a strong hand, somehow it’s messed up because you did something you didn’t know, like a string bet, and you’re opponents get a cheap next card and it brings in some obvious draw that beats you
Don’t stack your $5 chips in $50 stacks, you look like a noob (unless of course, you only have $50 on the table). New players are more likely to be scared money and people will target you.
Know the rules of your casino that may vary from other casinos. Does the betting line on the felt play or is forward motion binding? Who shows first at showdown if the river goes check/check? Is someone allowed to ask to see your mucked hand? Are you allowed to run it multiple times? Be aware of how promotions work, ie what plays and what doesn’t.
Understand how to quarter a pot
Tabling your hand at showdown is never a bad thing to do. If you muck the winning hand, you don’t get the pot 100% of the time. If you’re unsure if you win/lose but table your hand, it will get worked out. If you get to showdown and there has been a lot of checking, just table your hand. Don’t show or say just one card, it slows the game down.
If you’re not satisfied at any time about something, ask for a floor to give you a ruling. If you’re pretty sure the floors ruling isn’t correct, ask for a supervisor
Players at the table aren’t there to watch you think about folding preflop, act swiftly if you’re not up against a big decision.
Players didn’t drive all the way to the casino to fold pre. At smaller stakes you’re going to play a lot of hands multi-way, in either limped or raised pots. Understand what you should be doing in massive bloated pots. Winning/losing just a couple of these can make or break a session.
Learn strategy to play against donk bettors. It happens much more often than online.
By in large, LLSNL players don’t bluff a lot. If someone is betting a lot and you don’t know they’re tendencies, better to assume they probably have a hand than to hero call. In other words, strength tends to equal strength.
Learn to value bet much more thinly than online. You’d be amazed by what you get called by on the river.
Protect your cards if your in the seat by the dealer. Protect them from players accidentally throwing their cards into yours (you fold if that happens). Most importantly - if everyone folds to your bet, never give your cards to the dealer until the pot has been pushed to you. I typically just hold them by the betting line, then I get the pot and the dealer get the cards and a tip on the cards
Watch out for angles. There are many ways people can angle you, keep a vigilant eye out for them
Be careful leaving a casino, specifically if it’s known you have a lot of $$$ on you. Keep an eye out for people following you. Have an idea of what to do prior to this happening so you don’t panic
Tip you’re dealer (in USA#1). They’re working in a service industry that they get less than minimum wage.
It’s not the dealers fault you suck at poker. It’s not the dealers fault some player sucked out on you.
Last edited by johnny_on_the_spot; 11-01-2021 at 01:49 PM.