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11-20-2020 , 10:39 PM

scottymagic86

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Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 3

$900 Effective stack
Stakes $2/$2 Best Bet Jax
Position: SB
BTN: no definitive reads other than he opens a fair amount of pots but I perceive he is a competent player. TAG that opens any decent holdings. Not much history with him.

Hand: Q♣Q♥
1 limp:
BTN raises to $12
Hero 3! to $40
Folds to BTN: Calls

Pot (including rake): $84
Flop: A♠2♠2♦
I c-bet $60
BTN calls

Pot:204
Turn: 4♣
What do you do here?

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11-20-2020 , 10:58 PM

iraisetoomuch

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 37,522

Ck / eval. Often calling.
Also, you can bet the flop smaller. Half pot imo.

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11-20-2020 , 11:56 PM

sixsevenoff

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 5,411

Pre is way way too small; I like going $60 pre.

I would bet this flop $25-$30 with my whole range.

I'm definitely checking the turn.

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11-21-2020 , 02:44 AM

OmahaDonk

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Your large cbet makes no sense - removal plays a big part in this hand (if you have an ace it’s more likely he doesn’t and vice versa). And if you did want to have a large sizing, this is one of the worst hands to do it with

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11-21-2020 , 08:32 AM

browni3141

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You need to 3-bet larger when OOP, especially when deep. Your flop sizing is very bad sense since you won’t get a lot of calls by worse and will never fold better. 100BB deep I go $20 with my entire range here. I’m not sure if being deep makes us want to split sizings but I’d still go $20 with this hand.

As played you can either check it down or bet/jam brick rivers. It’s very difficult for BU to have better than top pair so you can put a lot of pressure on him and this combo has good removal since it doesn’t block flush draws and blocks AQ which I think is a big part of his call-down range.

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11-21-2020 , 08:51 AM

OvertlySexual

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Preflop the only 3bet size that's going to make the SPR decent is something like $90. But that's too big and what do you get called by? If you make it 60, SPR is 8 and that's not that good for QQ.

In other words with stack depth, I am not looking to play for stacks with QQ.

Flop bet is too large. I bet 1/4 to 1/3. As played, it's hard to have been called by worse. I check fold turn.

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11-21-2020 , 09:06 AM

browni3141

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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual

I don't understand, are you saying call pre?

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11-21-2020 , 10:31 AM

samo

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From what I have heard about Jax, the initial raise of $12 after a limp seems small.

Anyway, larger 3B oop, at least $60.

OTF - what worse hands do you think will call a > 70% PSB? Perhaps KQs/JTs, but there are more combos of JJ/TT that might peel one for smaller sizing.

That said, I'd X/C flop, evaluate from there.

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11-21-2020 , 11:05 AM

OvertlySexual

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Originally Posted by browni3141

I don't understand, are you saying call pre?

No, I am saying there’s no big pre 3bet size that gets you where you want, so that 40 or 50 will work. Also, don’t go for stacks unless you hit set, ldo.

I mean, it’s arguable, that 60 pre gets you in more awkward positions.

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