$1/3 Live, 7-handed
Villain 1- $1000
Villain 2- $181
Hero- $320

Preflop: Folds to hero on the BTN with QcQs opens $10, V1 SB call, V2 BB calls.

Reads: V1 Asian man 60s, V2 white woman 50. V2 didn’t 3 bet me last orbit with JJ and played passive nitty in the 3 orbits I have been there. No meaningful reads on V1.

Flop: QhTh7d (pot $24)
Action: Checks to hero who bets $10 and gets two calls.

Turn Jc (Pot: $52)
Action: Checks to hero who bets $50. V1 raises $240. V2 tanks for 2 minutes and then calls for less $161.

What do you do as hero?

You should have a lot of AK with the turn pot sized bet and he’s not concerned, making me think he has AK. He could have 89 too.

Flop is so wet I think you can start with an overbet, there are so many hands that have to call.

You’re not going to be ahead often but when you are you’re going to be in a great spot. I guess go all in even though my gut says we’re beat.

Especially with these effective stacks, this seems like a standard shove.

I am still trying to figure out my sizing multiway. The educational stuff that I read generally says size down. If this was heads up I would have likely bet 2/3 or full pot given how wet + dynamic the board is. Any advice or resources on navigating multiway pot bet sizing would be much appreciated.

He has a lot of two pair hands in his range still, I would jam the rest in now then.

I would bet more otf and again ott but that's just me.

Raise bigger pre.

Bet bigger on flop.

Turn, I wouldn't expect them both to still be in the pot. I probably over-bet turn.

As played, I think probably just jam over this raise. We're either beating 2P or losing to a straight, unless we boat up.

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How do you adjust to multiway pots.

If I was playing BTN vs BB only my line here is 2/3 pot on the flop and 1.5x pot on the turn. I sized down because it was multiway. I am not sure how much I should be adjusting my sizing (if at all).

I'd bet bigger on the flop.

I'd just put the money in. I'm never folding here.

id pot the flop, then pot the turn to set up a river jam. as played GII.

Thanks for the feedback. I need to try to come up with my sizing strategy multiway since that is a common scenario at $1/3.

The proportionally higher rake and looser player pool at 1/3 incentivizes raising larger pre. Your pre-flop raises can be 4x-5x and not be out of line.

Theory says we should be betting smaller multi-way, but "smaller" is relative to the flop texture, stack depths, opponent tendencies, ranges, etc. It's not "bet small - one size fits all, so go 1/3 pot every time."

Multi-way against both blinds, both V's ranges are going to be pretty wide, but this flop smacks everyone's pre-flop blind defending ranges. You're going to be up against a $hlt-ton of 1P, 2P, and draws. We can target all those hands for value, and we want to charge them the max.

The 2P and sets in their range may be looking to check-raise when we c-bet, which would be fantastic when we want to 3B. The short stack especially should be looking to stack off here a lot.

We don't need to bet full pot, though that wouldn't be insane here, considering how connected and dynamic this board is. It can't be terrible to bet 2/3 pot instead of 1/3 pot, in this set-up. If you bet 2/3 to full pot, SB should be folding a lot. If SB calls, BB should be folding or jamming a lot. The 2P and worse sets may just want to GII now.

While it is true that IN GENERAL we should size smaller in multi-way pots - instead of having a cookbook strategy, I would urge you,with every action, to think about WHY you are betting (value, bluff, protection/equity denial) and WHY smaller sizing is GENERALLY favoured multi-way; and furthermore why you may deviate from this rule with certain holdings on certain board textures.

Some of the reasons small sizes are favoured multi-way are:

1)people play more “straightforward” and have to worry about the bettor and others behind them
2)equity denial is more important because everyone has a small piece of the pie YET, equity denial is easier with smaller bets because of (1)

We are generally not “protecting” against high equity draws that will call most bet sizes. We are protecting against smaller shares of the pot with marginal holdings. For example JJ on Th9h6d can bet for protection against AK or 77.

With top set on a wet board, you are betting more for fat value than protection even in a multi-way pot. There are also more “made hands” that are strong enough to continue (eg TT/77) and we want to build a pot against. We have a hand that benefits from getting money in early before scare cards come.

So in this specific scenario, larger flop bets make sense. We can also balance our large bets (if that even matters at 1/3) by also using them with high equity draws that are happy continuing but also benefit from more fold equity.

Mostly multiway you want to stay smaller. Mostly when you have top set you either want to bet small or check (as there is far less chance that your opponent(s) have top pair, so you're just going to get folds most of the time). So in this instance, betting small would be perfectly acceptable based on those. However, on this specific texture there is so much chance that one or other opponent has hit the flop hard, whether with a lower set, two pair, top pair or a strong draw. Also there are lots of game changing turn cards. So betting big, to set up for stacks, may well be a stronger play on this board. You are representing a.wide range of strong hands and could equally well make the play with a good draw, so it doesn't skew you towards having the nut hand you actually do have.

Thank you for the detailed response. I think I get too focused on “how would I play my entire range here” and landed on that I would be betting all parts of my range that connect with this flop including a lot of draws I would have as the BTN raiser. I would have bet 2/3 if heads up but got confused/lost multiway. I have a lot of air in my range too, so I am checking back a decent amount of the time. I don’t really try to “balance” too much in this spot against these two specific villains.

You played the hand fine, it's just a cooler.