Villain was aggressive pre-flop but only with his 2bet range. He rarely, if ever, 3bet pre-flop (small hand sample ~ 300). He was probably a decent player, very gambly, but i'm not sure how spewy he could be at this point.

6 handed game

me: £350
villain: £1200
random: £100
LN1: £400
spanner: £400
crusher: £1200


spanner posts £1 SB
crusher posts £2 BB

dealt to me [6c 6s]

me: bets £8
villain: raises to £24
random: folds
LN1: folds
spanner: folds
crusher: folds
me: calls £16

flop comes [6h 8c 2s]

me: checks
villain: bets £27
me: raises to £77
villain: calls

turn [Ad]

me: checks
villain: bets £30
me: calls

river comes [Qh]

me: checks
villain: bets all in
me: ????


So i'm sitting here with £131 in the middle and £219 back. Does this hand smell of AA or QQ given his seemingly tight 3bet range and the smooth on the flop? This hand baffled me a bit.... I think your supposed to call but his hand seemed to be in the [AA-QQ] range, and his river bet looked like a strong hand overbetting it. My flop play could have gotten through because I had previously 4bet a button with AKs and it got shown down (QJx flop the guy triple checked AQ to me after calling a £68 4bet pre), and had got caught out buffing another time (I was only in for £150 by the way). He obviously knew that my range could potentially be a bit larger than a set, but I think putting me on a set would have made sense

bet turn shove river.

+1.

And btw. fold pre. Set mining this 66 with those stack sizes
oop is not profitable.
As played c/c turn, c/c river. There is no way that you can fold
a set on a dry board in a 3bet pot.

I disagree with the bold statement. You do have 15x eff stacks so its good enough to set mine. Also, since villain 3bet pre, he is more likely to play for stacks (unless he 3bets pretty light and has shown tendencies to shut down post flop if faced with aggression)

If stacks were much deeper, I think you have to really know this villain to make it a call or fold. Is he 3betting AQ, is he overvaluing top two pair here? You called pre for one purpose only: to set mine. You got the dream flop you wanted. I don't see why you would want to get away from this hand

I would have bet out turn, instead of checking. It's horribad to let villain get there with QQ (if its in his range)

Once you call the turn bet, ur committed as you have less than PSB left.

Shove river or call shove. You really can't second guess ur hand here.

FWIW, once you raised flop, the decision has to be already made that ur playing for stacks

Why do you check raise flop and check the turn?

If he has AA, cooler.

If he has QQ you deserve to lose for playing scared money.

Bet 125 on the turn and shove the river.


Honestly...why play 66 if you hit it hard and are still scared?

agreed with the others. bet turn and shove river.

as played it's an easy call, if he has a higher set that's a cooler.

Set minining is fine there I agree. It is 6 handed. I have to open with a bet, and when he 3bets the button I think folding would be a bad mistake (call £16 to win £35 plus £326 effective stacks), nothing wrong with calling pre-flop. I think the optimal play is call followed by fold followed by 4bet. Folding for £16 6handed is way tooo tight and nitty, especially since his 3bet range is probably AA-TT or AK (see comment at top of post)


i didn't like the idea of betting out on the flop for if he has AA-TT he cbets 100% of the time, and I can c-raise knowing he is not good enough to release the hand (I play somewhat LAG so they clock me as a player who could make a cr with A8 or A6).

What gets me is his smooth call on the flop!! What the **** is he smoothing? It looks like AA/KK/QQ shutting down and preventing damage or some weird wimpy play which they tend to do in the casino. I don't like betting out the flop.

On the turn I thought there was a decent chance he had AA and I thought that he would value bet AA, maybe AK (but doesn't make sense smoothing the flop) or conversely that any other hand he had was crushed and he would thus fold. If he has KK-TT then he shuts down on the turn because of the A, i probably don't get another bet out of him. Conversely for the 5% chance he gains to beat me by me checking, I might peel off a value bluff bet for the 95% times his TT misses and he has a lil stab.

River Q gives me another potential cooler situation. So i check thinking he would value bet his entire range and I could snap off a cheapish call, or he would bluff a hand which had no business being in the pot still (KK or JJ), but when he shoves it screams a 'give me all your dough I got AA' bet. There was no way he was bluffing here.


Well the result was;

I folded the river and he shows AA


I was just curious as to whether this was a standard situation for everyone. I don't fold sets very often, but this particular hand was very weird for me. I know people say 'oh this is standard you should call and if you lose its a cooler' but do we really need to snap call every single bet which looks like the goods? Folding here allowed me to spin it up to £900 in a few hours of smallball poker with a few big hands.

You can't fold a set on this board. You probably could have gotten it all in on the turn, to be honest. but either way. With this hand all your money should be going in the middle

lol i love the word scared. Implies i'm some sort of muppet who is not trying to play a good game.

I folded a £1k pot for a £300 bet the other day with AA on the 72Q9Q board only to be shown 99. I ****ing wish I was playing scared lmao I wouldn't have put in £500 before folding the river (thank **** the Q came lmao).


I'm not scared of losing, i'm scared of putting money in bad What I'd like to know is if we have to make these standard calls and be shown a 'cooler' or whether, given the way the hands come out, making solid folds is possible given the stacks. Does villains range include losing hands on this river? I'm not usually this heavily involved in the thinking process because usually you just play your top hands vs these guys and value bet them into oblivion. They don't normally put their chips in the middle as quickly as this guy did, even on a bluff!!!

I think he wasn't saying set mining with those stacks is unprofitable he's saying the oop part is unprofitable.

TBH, if villain is lag then set mining is fine in any position w/ those stacks. It appears that is the case.

Checking the turn should be to 1) induce or 2) because you think the A scares your opponent, otherwise it's a bet for value. You did make a good soul-read OTR, but I think you're supposed to go broke there by bet/betting.

First, I agree that you are deep enough to set mine and I agree that you should bet the turn.

That said, I would actually consider folding turn due to the really tiny bet size. Villain re-raises to 24 pre flop, calls 77 on the flop and then bets 30 into a pot of 200? Why would villain do that? Seems like a very weird line for JJ-KK. Maybe AK calls the check raise then is trying to extract a tiny bit of value from your perceived rainge of 99-KK, but more likely villain desperately wants a call.

If you can figure out what villain wants you to do, then it is your job to disappoint him. Min check-raises and tiny bets currently mean villain is super strong and doesn't think many hands can call a bigger bet. Until more villains start bluffing with tiny bets, this should be a big warning sign. In general it's a bad idea to narrow villain's range so tightly and I am probably biased by knowing the results, but in this case nothing else really fits.

Of course in game I'm likely to stack off here as well,

cheers for your thoughts guys. Had a similar situation and got shown the better hand too for a much larger pot.

Im just going to go with the sets from now on because folding after hitting kinda removes some of the implied odds (for when I beat opponent).

I think once villain 3-bet's pre it's ok to call the $16 raise which gives us about 21:1 in odds to set mine with. So set mining after the 3-bet pre seems ok to me as we are getting enough in implied odds.

However, were you UTG in this hand? It looks like you open raised with 66 from UTG. I don't normally start with much less than 88+,ATs-AJo from UTG normally. Not sure you should have open raised with 66 but you are in a six-handed game. If it was full ring I thing you should have open-folded pre. Is this standard for 6-max or 6 handed games to open with 66?

As far as how the hand played out I think as standard you are better off leading the flop and trying to get it all-in on the turn. If you can't get it all-in on the turn then open shove the river. I think a lot of villain's will show Aces Up in this spot and you will get called by worse enough of the time to make getting it in here profitable. Folding the river is like giving up a lot of value in the long run. All I can say is if someone flops a set with me (or turns it in this case) and I have the underset then more times than not they have a hand they can win a lot of money off me with.

The 'dont open raise 66 UTG' bandwagon confuses me here;


1. If I limp and the rest limp, I have to rely on my set draw with people priced in with junky hands. Equity is all over the god damn place. I could so easily be putting in £300 on the 653 board only to be shown 47 or 24 having a cheap little limp. On boards like 235 I could be losing to two pair which would mean im putting money in bad chasing a hand.

2. If I limp and get raised, I could 3bet semi bluff but opponent will 4bet better hands, smooth hands which are not too far behind (AT etc) IN POSITION. Thats a bad idea. If i limp and call the 2bet, then my opponent has initiative. I have to check call or fold a K73 board and if he shows QJ then fair play I burn some equity.

3. If I open fold 66 UTG then i'm a nit who should be banned from every single poker site in the world.

4. If I raise to £8 pre-flop then the 3bet amount is not going to be too much given my stack (£24-£32 roughly) and I can peel off a card. If someone smooth calls then I have the initiative and can possibly take down the hand on the K73 board.

5. The only other option is making it maybe £4 or £6 to go to give myself more odds to snap off a potential 3bet. But this amount will be called by 3-5 of the remaining players as apposed to 1-4 of the remaining players (on average).

6. If I make it £10 or more then the 3bet amount is getting crazy like £40+ and i'm not putting that much in pre-flop with 66 lol.



Therefore my pre-flop play is FINE.

Was this internet poker?

Usually people post here for advice. You apparently posted here looking to brag and get praise over your miraculous fold. You think open folding 66 FR is being a nit? I think raising flop and checking dry turn when an overcard comes is being a nit. You got lucky. But if you always have this MUB thinking, you're leaving a lot of money on the table. Come back when you want advice.

I wasn't saying don't play 66 from UTG six-handed. I was asking others if this was ok 6 handed. But in the very least at least you open raised and didn't open limp. Not sure if it's better if you just open fold or not 6 handed or not. Was wondering what others thought. But since you aren't full ring it probably is fine just not sure really.

In this situation, yes.

Folding 6-6 in this hand as the action played out is a major leak, IMO. You put in 40% of your stack only to fold because you put someone on AA.
Either fold flop, or go all the way with it

It's like in black Jack, when you hit 14 against a dealer's 10 and you stay because you feel the dealer is going to bust. You may be right in that one instant, but long term this type of thinking will lose you money

Open folding 66 utg 6 handed with deepish stacks is nitty. Un fact give me 66 here rather thab aa!!! I thought I was beat hence the play. You unfortunately don't know me, I play these games for a living and have done for a few years now. My Question was whether or not you can make a fold in this spot given a read or whether there was an outside chance he had a losing hand. You neglected the fact that I:

1. Didn't include the outcome in the first post

2. Provided a 3bet figure which implied a very strong hand.

3. Thanked people for their input

I had a very strong read. I am just wondering that if he shows the rare losing hand in this spot do I call him every time? Im not a nit, I play loose aggressive, float, cr and 3bet a bit light.

It is a shame people like you are still on the net lol. I come on with a hand I might have misplayed it in the long run, provided as much info as possible which helped form my read hoping to find out what people thought. Everyone said you call and take a cooler and I think I should have. So show a bit of respect. If you want me to brag, then I will

Does your back ever get bruised from patting it so hard? truely awful fold btw.

Respect? When you come back with a 6 point bulleted list about your preflop play and start using caps with your self righteous defensiveness, you obviously don't want advice, and you're the one not showing respect. I'm sure you frequent this forum enough to recognize that posters here look at the whole hand, not just the street you want help with. On my behalf, I said full ring when talking about playing 66 utg, but as another poster said, it depends a lot on table dynamics. As for bragging, not only did you post this thread about your nice fold, but you also talked about folding aces in a different hand.

Get over yourself.
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stop playing 66...its more like villain showed AQ and you came on here to make yourself feel better thinking you'd see a thread full of fold posts...

Someone questioned my preflop play so I provided reasoning. If 8 made a mistake preflop then fine but I wanted to put across that I felt I played that street fine.

I thanked people for their input. You felt that this was a brag so attacked me. I do not brag on this site so it is out of the blue your comments the other hand was to emphasise that I wasn't a nit. Sorry for mentioning it.

Feel free to not post on my threads in future though if you attack me because you perceive me as bragging rather than wanting some advice, that is far more productive for everyone.

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