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Originally Posted by endodocdc
I disagree with the bold statement. You do have 15x eff stacks so its good enough to set mine. Also, since villain 3bet pre, he is more likely to play for stacks (unless he 3bets pretty light and has shown tendencies to shut down post flop if faced with aggression)
If stacks were much deeper, I think you have to really know this villain to make it a call or fold. Is he 3betting AQ, is he overvaluing top two pair here? You called pre for one purpose only: to set mine. You got the dream flop you wanted. I don't see why you would want to get away from this hand
I would have bet out turn, instead of checking. It's horribad to let villain get there with QQ (if its in his range)
Once you call the turn bet, ur committed as you have less than PSB left.
Shove river or call shove. You really can't second guess ur hand here.
FWIW, once you raised flop, the decision has to be already made that ur playing for stacks
Set minining is fine there I agree. It is 6 handed. I have to open with a bet, and when he 3bets the button I think folding would be a bad mistake (call £16 to win £35 plus £326 effective stacks), nothing wrong with calling pre-flop. I think the optimal play is call followed by fold followed by 4bet. Folding for £16 6handed is way tooo tight and nitty, especially since his 3bet range is probably AA-TT or AK (see comment at top of post)
i didn't like the idea of betting out on the flop for if he has AA-TT he cbets 100% of the time, and I can c-raise knowing he is not good enough to release the hand (I play somewhat LAG so they clock me as a player who could make a cr with A8 or A6).
What gets me is his smooth call on the flop!! What the **** is he smoothing? It looks like AA/KK/QQ shutting down and preventing damage or some weird wimpy play which they tend to do in the casino. I don't like betting out the flop.
On the turn I thought there was a decent chance he had AA and I thought that he would value bet AA, maybe AK (but doesn't make sense smoothing the flop) or conversely that any other hand he had was crushed and he would thus fold. If he has KK-TT then he shuts down on the turn because of the A, i probably don't get another bet out of him. Conversely for the 5% chance he gains to beat me by me checking, I might peel off a value bluff bet for the 95% times his TT misses and he has a lil stab.
River Q gives me another potential cooler situation. So i check thinking he would value bet his entire range and I could snap off a cheapish call, or he would bluff a hand which had no business being in the pot still (KK or JJ), but when he shoves it screams a 'give me all your dough I got AA' bet. There was no way he was bluffing here.
Well the result was;
I folded the river and he shows AA
I was just curious as to whether this was a standard situation for everyone. I don't fold sets very often, but this particular hand was very weird for me. I know people say 'oh this is standard you should call and if you lose its a cooler' but do we really need to snap call every single bet which looks like the goods? Folding here allowed me to spin it up to £900 in a few hours of smallball poker with a few big hands.
Last edited by daytona0; 05-10-2011 at 02:31 PM.