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What to do against super-aggro Raisers OOP? What to do against super-aggro Raisers OOP?

09-23-2013 , 12:06 AM
I am more used to online Poker and had only about ten to twenty sessions live. Now I am living for a longer Term in Oz and have been visiting the local casino three times for Live 1/2. I buy in max.
I am 50 yrs old, I usually make a tight impression, sometimes loose, but I guess I would be descripted as a TA, sometimes maybe too tight passive.

Now I am sitting at this table with a young asian guy.
To give you an impression: He looks a little nervous, always checking his mobile and so on. He makes a smart impression, seems to calculate a lot before making a decision.
When he is in position he usually raises quite hi, up to 20 or maybe 22.

Ok, let's say I am in MP with AJs and call his raise. I miss the flop and check so he will be betting pot normally, with daoes nit give me a real choice or does it?
If I would be betting let's say around half to threequ. pot he is either raising or setting me all in. Ok, if I had TPTK I would not refuse to go with it. But would be hitting second pair be appropiate to such aggression as well?

In the three hands we had together on Saturday I never hit the flop and went out of the pot.

Just for general discussion: How do you behave against such players?

Need more information on this, just tell me, I'll do my best.

Greetings from OZ
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09-23-2013 , 02:37 AM
What kind of aggressive villain is this? I.e., is he good (barreling multiple streets on scare cards when he has some equity) or the bad type (like will shove allin if he hits any piece of the flop)?

If he's the type to just fold weak hands when you check/raise OTF, you want to go for a check/call line with your value hands and revaluate the turn a lot of the time. Otherwise, if he's very bad you can try experimenting with donk bets or check/raise lines to try to get it in on the flop, with the strength of your hand varying from 2nd pair+ to top pair+ depending on how weak of hands he is willing to shove his chips in with.
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09-23-2013 , 02:38 AM
"Ok, let's say I am in MP with AJs and call his raise"

Fold.
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09-23-2013 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by StillLearnin
"Ok, let's say I am in MP with AJs and call his raise"

Fold.
Or this if either 1) he's a good LAG; or 2) you want to go for lower variance ABC play against him.

If he's a bad spewy type though I'm in favor of calling here if you think you can get heads up with him, but be ready to lose big pots when he actually has it or sucks out on you.

Again, we need more info about the villain.
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09-23-2013 , 03:33 AM
Calling brings in other villains behind us. imho it's a fold or raise. AJ in MP is not good enough (for me) to raise with so fold.
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09-23-2013 , 03:57 AM
Mmmmmm I would say that calling with AJs in those spots and hoping to hit against him is not the best strategy. We're going to miss most of the time, and when we do hit we're still going to be crushed occasionally. And if I am reading this correctly, the kind of villain you're describing is of someone who cannot be bluffed. So I wouldn't bluff him.

I find that the best strategy against these players is to tighten up and mix up my game a little. If my image is good/tight, and I get AJs against him in this spot preflop, I'm throwing in a 3bet. I have a much better chance of taking down the pot either preflop or on the flop. And I'll get more information (If he 4bets, now I know I'm behind and I can get away). If my image isn't so great and I'm perceived as a little more loose, I'm just folding the AJs and wait for better spots.

Conversely, if we get QQ+ in these spots, now I would just call the raise pre flop and try to let villain hang himself (Unless we think multiple players behind us will call). And I would be prepared to hero call in a lot of spots, even if the board for our hand isn't great.

I think that's pretty good advice for other hands too, you're going to have to go with and be prepared to play big pots with more marginal hands than you're accustomed to.
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09-23-2013 , 06:12 AM
Thanx for the answers so far, I appreciate them very much.

More Info about villain on that particular night: A drunken Aussie, playin spewy goaes all in with the the rest of his stack (60-80 $).
The TAG on the button calls.
Villain sits in BB, thinks and raises the caller to 150. Caller goes all in immediately, villains thinks again and calls. Makes him play for 360 $, about 2/3 of his stack. villains shows 99, the Button had QQ and won it.
I thought the call was little bit too light, but given the odds and resuming the button could have had an drawing hand I think the call was ok. Other opinions?


@discgolfing

I like your opinion. Still I think, because villain was raising constantly from HJ and CO, less from Button, calling with AJs is ok. But what can u do if villain barrels a ragged flop potsize and a call would mean basically commitment?
But 3 betting could give an advantage here.
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09-24-2013 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by crackedpepper
Thanx for the answers so far, I appreciate them very much.

More Info about villain on that particular night: A drunken Aussie, playin spewy goaes all in with the the rest of his stack (60-80 $).
The TAG on the button calls.
Villain sits in BB, thinks and raises the caller to 150. Caller goes all in immediately, villains thinks again and calls. Makes him play for 360 $, about 2/3 of his stack. villains shows 99, the Button had QQ and won it.
I thought the call was little bit too light, but given the odds and resuming the button could have had an drawing hand I think the call was ok. Other opinions?


@discgolfing

I like your opinion. Still I think, because villain was raising constantly from HJ and CO, less from Button, calling with AJs is ok. But what can u do if villain barrels a ragged flop potsize and a call would mean basically commitment?
But 3 betting could give an advantage here.
Villain's mistake in the 1st hand is raising with 99 there. Standard TAG players aren't going to call a ~$70 shove with 88 or worse. Basically just hoping he had AK, and even then he's only a coin flip. He's crushed by anything else. The TAG made a good play there, probably smooth called the original raiser hoping for this exact scenario. Once villain makes that raise though, I still think a fold is correct but it's not a disastrous call with so much money in there.

If you're going to go with calling the AJs in those spots, I would prepare to jam certain types of ragged flops. 23::5 for example. You might have the best hand, and if you don't you have a gutshot/backdoor flush/at least 3 pair outs, probably 6. You can make the argument for doing this on some kind of QT/KT flop as well. I think this would be slightly better than just playing fit-or-fold post flop. But I still prefer 3betting or folding preflop.
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09-24-2013 , 02:00 AM
play extra tight...try to only play hands where u can make a big top pair ie big broadway cards...if i get any deeper then like say two hundred big blinds i play extra super tight against him
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