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What are the best hands to play calling in a familiar pot on the button and blinds? What are the best hands to play calling in a familiar pot on the button and blinds?

12-15-2023 , 09:59 PM
Hi all! The question will be abstract. I often come across a situation where there are a lot of limpers in a pot and the pot odds are simply huge (1 in 6 or higher). Which hands should we play (and which should we not) in family pot in late positions and in the blinds with effective stacks of 100bb and passive players?
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12-15-2023 , 10:51 PM
If nobody behind you is likely to raise then raise something like AQ+/TT+ with a few weaker hands. Even that is situational though depending on how many limped, how sticky they are when they limp, how wide their limping ranges are, what your exact position is, how likely villains after you are to call and so on. You can limp in with a much wider range given reasonably deep stacks and little chance of a raise after you. You might want to be limping (if you don't want to raise) any pocket pair, any AXs, KXs down to K9s, suited connectors down to 87s or so, suited one gappers down to 97s , unsuited connectors down to JT, and occasionally other hands. Your looking at something like 1/3 of hands but it is going to be a lot of limp in and fold flop because your looking for something better then weak pair/weak kicker.
When you are limping wide look out for tables where people limp in a lot and then bet hard post flop. This sort of table forces you to tighten your limping range and raise more preflop.
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12-16-2023 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
You might want to be limping (if you don't want to raise) any pocket pair, any AXs, KXs down to K9s, suited connectors down to 87s or so, suited one gappers down to 97s , unsuited connectors down to JT, and occasionally other hands. Your looking at something like 1/3 of hands but it is going to be a lot of limp in and fold flop because your looking for something better then weak pair/weak kicker.

Thanks for the answer. How often do you think we should limp the listed hands and with what frequency should we open-raise? As far as I understand, the raise should be much larger than the usual size and with this raise we often take the pot before the flop. Maybe for this reason it would be better to open-raise more often than to limp, what do you think?
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12-16-2023 , 01:13 PM
There isn't a simple answer because how the villains will respond to a raise varies from table to table. Opponents in these games on average are sticky and a normal raise won't clear them out but how they react to a big one is all over the place.
You will run into weak tables where a 5x raise will consistently clear the table or get you heads up. At these tables you can raise a lot, approaching 1/3 of hands. At the other end, if a 10x raise will get multiple callers then you need to only raise for value with a very tight 5% type range. Start with a 5x raise + 1x per caller and see how the table reacts.
A common situation at these games is that a raise will often fold out everybody. However if you get a caller then everybody after the first caller will feel priced in. So you will get zero or 5 callers but rarely one or two. At these games you can make some bluff raises with weak plausible suited gappers and unsuited connectors but if you get a bunch of callers and don't hit the flop hard just give up. Don't do this as the really sticky table though, you won't fold out the table enough.

How often you can limp is equally situational. At 50bb playing a tight range with a raise or fold strategy is best. As stacks get bigger you can limp wider. Even that has to be adjusted for how often hands will be raised after you, how much you can extract post flop and what actual stacks are. If there is a whale with a big stack you may want to limp in a lot even if the other stacks are not deep. On the other hand if there is a tilted guy with a short stack you want to mostly limit your range to hands willing to call his shove.
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12-16-2023 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
A common situation at these games is that a raise will often fold out everybody. However if you get a caller then everybody after the first caller will feel priced in. So you will get zero or 5 callers but rarely one or two.
Thank you very much for your detailed answer! I missed this in the game and now thanks to you I will play better! Much turns out to depend on the bet sizing, which, as you noticed, is difficult to select.

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Originally Posted by QuadJ
How often you can limp is equally situational. At 50bb playing a tight range with a raise or fold strategy is best.
Can we conclude from this that it is more optimal to play with a 50bb stack in these types of games using the MSS strategy?
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