What is the best adjustment to make in a game where everyone limps but then everyone calls a decent sized raise. More specifically if you have one problem player to you left that keeps calling behind with sub par hands and gets very sticky medium holdings or keeps sucking out on the river on you cause of his stickiness and unwillingness to lay a hand down?

I find tons of $1/$2 tables where its a limpfest then when you raise it up to $12 to $20 pre flop all of a sudden they all have hands and call the raise and stick around. It makes it impossible to narrow a range....



thanks in advance.

I like to find the sweet spot. Everyone knows there is a raise and then there is YOUR raise. Its become my standard to increase my raise size gradually until I have 3 or less callers (2-1 preferred). I recently had to adjust my standard open in a 1-2 game to $28 and that seemed to be the magic amount of $ that only one-two players had the nerve to jump in with me. Other tables usually toe the line around 12-16 for me.

Raise bigger with a tighter range and bet bigger when you have it post. Check and give up when you don't. Don't worry about being obvious or balanced. Just be patient and bet bigger.

Move up to stakes where they respect your raise.

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Tighten up your raising range. Take all bluff raises out of your range and almost all bluffs in general. On the flop only bet if you hit the flop or have some equity. Limp behind and hope to hit the flop with your drawing hands. With that many sticky villains it is more likely somebody will pay you off when you hit so this becomes profitable as long as you don't get sticky with weak made hands or try to chase draws when odds are bad.

This sort of table is one of the few where making a small raise to inflate the pot when you want to set mine can be profitable. Since you can't effectively isolate you end up playing all of your medium and low pairs for set mining value. If table is bad enough to let you get away with it and stacks are big enough to pay off then go for it. If stacks are short or there are any aggro villains who will jump on a small raise then just limp in.

I like this.

I have found that watching the table for an orbit or two gives you an idea of the table dynamics and what will fold folks out.

Limpests like you describe, you may have to pump it up to $15 or $17. I normally play $1/$3 and $35 is more or less the bet that gets the field down to 1 or 2 players.

Once it does, you'll often see the table adopt it. At least, I do.

Seems like we have this thread every few months.

See flops for cheap with speculative hands. See flops for very expensive with premiums. Value-bet TPGK+ to death. Don't semi-bluff without FE, instead draw for cheap when they offer ridic good prices. Ride the variance train to value town.

Take mobnies, the F do.

Except you do not see flops for cheap in these games.

Umm, no. If the game is a limpfest and you're not trying to iso, you see lots of flops for cheap. If you overlimp a speculative hand in late position, even if someone raises by the time a million limpers call around to you you are still getting a great price.

Note that the described game is not a common thing in Vegas. This is old-school no-fold 'em, and is still super common in the Midwest and in home games across the country.

Also keep in mind. Position is key in these games.

As everyone strategy is similar. Your edge is to play tighter from OOP, since it is harder to get max value consistently.

You are going to get to see alot of flops. So folding marginal in EP-MP is paramount.

Your edge is coming from, getting more value than your opponents do. Since everyone is going to take turn making hands.

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That's probably the worst piece of advice I have seen to date. You are kidding right?

This was one of the epiphany moments I had when I was playing seriously pre-black friday. Transitioned from online to live and got smoked for months because I was PFR and cbetting 66% and refused to limp.

Some of the biggest pots i have won were limped pots.....On the flip side, some of the biggest pots I have lost were also limped pots.. I call it flop bingo. This is where playing live and picking up reads on you villian's tendencies comes into play.

I think the point OP is trying to make is how to avoid having decent hands getting called by insane amount of villains. In the game conditions described ofcourse we want to see flops cheap with speculative hands, draw for cheap and maximize value when you hit, over value TPTK more than you normally would.

But not trying ISO a wider range than you would normally try to raise is -ev, it's also a good idea to tone down on semi bluffs because FE takes a serious hit when villains are lag generally don't fold.

Can you clarify this statement? I think I understand but not 100% sure.

I think he didn't mean the "not" in there.

What stakes are those? Cause everything I see up to $10/$25 is the same.

+1.

Find the pain point. You always want to know it anyway.