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Weird spot with QQ p/f Deep - what's optimal? Weird spot with QQ p/f Deep - what's optimal?

12-09-2012 , 03:11 PM
$1/$2 game
Very loose passive game - any raise has gotten 2+ callers every hand.

I'll describe each Villain as they enter the hand.

Villain 1 ($100) (UTG): Quite a bad player. Very loose passive preflop. Calls almost any raise. Just makes mistakes hand after hand.

V1 Raises to 20. (This raise is quite large at this table.)

Villain 2 (MP) ($700): Aggressive post flop at times. Can make situations tough if she senses weakness. She is far too loose preflop though.

V2 calls $20.

Folds to V3
Villain 3 (HJ) ($50): Bad player. Has gotten it in bad many, many times. Too loose preflop. Likely tilted after being in the game for a lot of $.

V3 shoves all-in for $50.

Hero (CO) (Covers): tightest player at the table. Young 20s player with 1 headphone in. I'm relatively chatty with players. Only shown monsters.

Hero looks down at QQ.

I think we have 4 options:
Call $50
Raise to $80 (min raise)
Raise to $120 ish
Or Overshove for $700+.

Notes:
Once I began to tank a bit, the SB, BB, and V2 signaled they were probably going to be folding. BTN appeared to be ready to stay in the pot.

V4 (BTN) ($600): has been playing relatively tight. Younger player who I've got 100s of hours with. Recently tightened up his game a great deal. Doesn't get out of line very often.

Thoughts?
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12-09-2012 , 03:41 PM
Way to deep for a shove here.... A 4 bet will do Just fine...like 150-180

Last edited by Oddhalo; 12-09-2012 at 04:06 PM.
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12-09-2012 , 04:01 PM
Raise to 150
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12-09-2012 , 04:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddhalo
Way to deep for a shove here.... A 4 bet will do Just fine...like 150-180
I'm okay with this
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12-09-2012 , 05:20 PM
You are all going way too big. Just make it 100. We don't want to make it so big that we only ever get action behind if we are beat and we are not too bothered if one opponent decides to see a flop. Raising to 100 -115 achieves the same as 150-180
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12-09-2012 , 05:38 PM
I think u risk bringing in another caller (or worse creating a cascade effect) by charging only 80 more to the 190 that will already be in the pot... I would like to see this basically heads up against the Ai player.. But i see the merits of keeping the non ai villians range wider than kk+ when we do see a flop.. The 3 bet math is definately a little non standard due to the ai 50 bet before us. Plus these guys are desc as "too loose preflop" so this should be accounted for as well.

Last edited by Oddhalo; 12-09-2012 at 05:43 PM.
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12-09-2012 , 05:44 PM
We don't mind a caller. We have qq. We would just prefer only one caller. We have position post flop anyway. Why put loads of chips in to protect our hand when we have qq in position?
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12-09-2012 , 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by madlondoner
We don't mind a caller. We have qq. We would just prefer only one caller. We have position post flop anyway. Why put loads of chips in to protect our hand when we have qq in position?
100 or 110 might look like a weak iso-raise though with a hand like 99, TT, AQ, and might entice someone to overshove with JJ or AK, so i would raise to like 135.

but whatever, i´m cool with it, seems like an easy b/fold situation to me.
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