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03-08-2011 , 07:26 PM
This was a hand from last night playing 1/2 live

I'm in MP with 7d6d.
UTG and UTG+1 limp
I limp
Button limps, SB folds and BB checks his option
Flop is AdQh4d
BB bets $7 into ~$10 pot
UTG and UTG+1 fold
I call and button calls
I have ~$450 button and BB have ~$200 each at this point
Turn is 2d
Button bets $17 into ~$20 pot

This is where it gets weird. I am taking a moment to think about how I want to play the hand. While I'm doing this the button doesn't notice that I am still in the hand and raises to $45. The dealer tells him its not his turn and he takes his bet back.

My reads where button was pretty typical young crazy asian player. BB was pretty tag. Played a lot of hands pre but didn't get into many big spots without big hands.

Whats your play here?

Last edited by Alexcny; 03-08-2011 at 07:32 PM. Reason: Typo
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03-08-2011 , 07:38 PM
Maybe he noticed you and maybe he didn't. Were you hiding your cards? This could just as easily be an angleshoot as a mistake. People will do this with draws/weak hands to try and discourage action or get the pot heads up vs. a weak/tight player.

I would call the $17 and in most rooms he is committed to making his raise. When it gets back to you raise all-in.
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03-08-2011 , 07:43 PM
fold. It seems likely one of these can have a flush, and you have a bad one. This is the type of spot you need to be able to fold early in order to save yourself big later on.
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03-08-2011 , 08:11 PM
Hollywood for 5 seconds, call, shove all in when action is back to you.
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03-08-2011 , 08:28 PM
A worse hand is going to call a push here, really? Even asians can make a flush
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03-08-2011 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey
Maybe he noticed you and maybe he didn't. Were you hiding your cards? This could just as easily be an angleshoot as a mistake. People will do this with draws/weak hands to try and discourage action or get the pot heads up vs. a weak/tight player.

I would call the $17 and in most rooms he is committed to making his raise. When it gets back to you raise all-in.
I honestly think he didnt notice. We were sitting at an angle where it was difficult to see if I had cards. He seemed honest in his reaction when he realized I was still in the hand. He also didn't do anything all night that would signal to me he would shoot an angle like this.
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03-08-2011 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PIK4CHU
Hollywood for 5 seconds, call, shove all in when action is back to you.
I like this as long as the dealer makes him keep his raise in the pot

Dealer doesn't make him raise, then do it yourself.
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03-08-2011 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HamerHead69Baby
I like this as long as the dealer makes him keep his raise in the pot

Dealer doesn't make him raise, then do it yourself.
Of course.
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03-09-2011 , 03:10 AM
Preflop: Fine.

Flop: Depending on your opponents, all three of your options are defensible. It's hard to say which is best without reads on BB, but due to the board you should at least consider raising. AA, QQ, and AQ are out of your opponent's range so there really aren't a whole lot of hands BB can have that can stand heat. Furthermore, if he does have one of those hands he'll often slowplay, which will allow you to take a free card and possibly hit on the river.

Turn: As played on the flop, once the button raises out of turn fold your hand. Flushes are well within the range of both of your opponents, and you are behind all flushes except 53. Furthermore, AA, QQ, AQ, and 22 are highly unlikely hands for your opponents to hold, meaning that there are relatively few worse hands that can pay you off the times you are ahead.

Just my opinion...
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03-09-2011 , 05:01 AM
Others have given good input about the how to play this turn.

Why not raise pre? If you raised to 7 pre, bet 15 on the flop, bet 35 on the turn, get raised to 90, then you can reraise all-in and get called by weaker hands. If you shove over a raise to 45 in a limped pot then you aren't getting called by as many hands because most players are willing to get their stacks in lighter in a raised pot because the large bet sizing seems more appropriate to them.
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03-10-2011 , 01:20 PM
I don't think you will get opinions that range too much from what has been given so far.... results? curious to see how you played it
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03-10-2011 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jared Kay
Others have given good input about the how to play this turn.

Why not raise pre? If you raised to 7 pre, bet 15 on the flop, bet 35 on the turn, get raised to 90, then you can reraise all-in and get called by weaker hands. If you shove over a raise to 45 in a limped pot then you aren't getting called by as many hands because most players are willing to get their stacks in lighter in a raised pot because the large bet sizing seems more appropriate to them.
I don't know how you would size preflop raises to predict this particular scenario?
Being just a tad results orientated there, preflop is standard that small of a raise doesn't really accomplish anything and we and other players are not really deep enough to just bloat pots for no real reason.
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03-10-2011 , 03:00 PM
Another examples of how SCs are easy to play because you either flop a monster or nothing...........oh hang on, you mean that is not true? Give me my limp back in that case.
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