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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Yea that would be amazing. I will start keeping a log of hands i see as far as donks, but obviously the toughest thing about it is we dont get to see many hands.
I do know one for sure though, basically holds true for live same as online. A rec donking 50% pot or less is on a draw, especially turn donks. I see it all the time in live play.
A rec donking for large sizing though when the flush or straight comes in actually has it. Even when they do it on a seemingly inconsequential card it means they just hit a random two pair. Again, ive seen this so much.
And heres a good tell that has worked well for me. I used it tonight vs a reg to make a big fold that was correct. If someone is holding their hand over their cards as if protecting them, they are strong. They do it subconsciously when they have a big hand.
And the donking tell could be true for this reg too. Hes a reg who is almost always there, but he does have a lot of fishy tendencies so he could very well just have binked a 2 pair with A7 here. He plays almost anything remotely suited and connected even vs a raise, but he is aware enough that he wont tangle with other regs. He tends to get very tight when me or the other better regs are involved in hands.
Yeah I think everyone just uses anecdotal evidence which can be good but it's prone to selection bias.
I was going over some YT videos and this guy did a huge study on live tells it is labelled "Beyond Tells."
I'm only going over the free stuff because the course is like over 2k but here is what I learned so far:
1. Doesn't double check hand preflop - higher likelihood of hand being a pocket pair (pocket pairs only double checked their holdings 18% of the time over a 20k sample)
2. Preflop card check: 2 second card check = likely a top of range/bottom of range hand.
3.8 second card check = middle of range hand.
The thing with live poker is that there is so much information available to you that is almost overwhelming. You need to be able to parse the information correctly, this is why I think the ceiling for live players is way higher than online because I bet even someone like Linus Love would have live tells and that is going to give you a huge advantage if you can correctly discern this.
Your list is very good though, I like the holding their hand over their cards as if protecting them. I think I do that haha.