I got air and making a big river bluff

I usually dont say anything or make any gestures
V tanks for longest time

Patient is getting thin
what are effective ways to nudge him to fold?

These are things I considered

* calling time clock on him

* " I will show no matter if you call/ fold"

* throw a chip to the dealer letting dealer know its an "early tip"

* ( pretend we hold 2nd nut hand and say we are chopping if you call )

have you tried anything that worked?

Would you say anything if you had the nuts and wanted them to call?

Just dont say anything unless your a speech play pro like will kassouff or something. Otherwise long term i would just shut up and fix my eyes in the middle.

Perhaps you should ask doctor for a high calorie diet?

All the tactics you suggested generally lead me to call. As Java said, unless you do those sorts of Jamie Gold mouthy tactics when you are strong, don't do them when you are weak.

There is no single answer because it depends on the situation and opponent.

Calling time depends on villain. It can pressure out the weaker players but it feels like your being a bully and can push the more aggressive to call.
"I will show no matter what" is a very classic line and depends on your image. If your image is dirty this looks like your trying to talk somebody into folding.

That said, if you don't normally talk when making big bets then anything you say will look out of place. This polarizes the situation, that is it makes it look as if you have the nuts or are bluffing. If your going to talk when making big bluffs then you need to pay attention to what you do when your not bluffing and practice your acting so they are consistent.

What's the hurry? Practice being more patient.

Humans in general weigh the risk of losing twice as heavily as winning. So if it is close, they are going lean towards folding. How many times have you seen someone facing a bet, look at their cards think some more and then call? Just about never. They almost always look at their cards, then fold after the memorial service. Why would I do anything to risk them change the direction they are going to naturally go?

If the opponent asks you if you'll show if he folds, tell him you aren't going to show even if he calls.

I normally dont talk and the longer the the V tanks and more likely V will fold IMO

What sometimes happens is a V who talks out loud or tried to get a reaction out of me

sometimes asking directly " do you want me to call or fold?"

I dont think I can be a statute forever

if V starts trying to engage with me trying to fish for a reaction I will call time.

That's fine but give them a while. I would wait until I thought it was long enough, then pull out my phone and start a stopwatch, give it another 60 seconds before calling time and make it longer if it's a big pot. It can seem like an eternity when you're waiting on an action but that's your perception.

Don’t do the show of strength stuff (last two items on your list). Don’t offer to show, cause you’re basically offering him something of value if he folds…so it looks as if you are pressuring him to fold. Calling clock on him could work either way, IDK.

Dont do anything that would try and influence villains decision is my take on this. Just stay quiet and keep your eyes at the board in the middle of the table. Doing this on a consistent basis when making big bets/raises will serve you far better. Just dont speak at all, as you would do if you had the nutz and wanted a call instead of a fold.

This.

Was in a hand I push all in at the river and the other player was tanking thinking out loud all possible hands that could beat him
It occurred to me that I was behind and this would now would be unintentional bluff
I avoided eye contact and stared at the table and didnt respond
After much muttering he layed his hand down and folded
I mucked after he folded
Then he gets mad that I didn t show
There no rule that I have to table a winning hand

Now it possible he said " will you show if I fold" which I didnt respond
That is a common proposal
What do you do if someone says that?

The more normal players talk, the more likely a bluff. This is just general "strong=weak" stuff in lower limit games.

As you ascend the limit ladder, some players are able to talk throughout a hand and not give much away, but still I'd argue they give something away to astute observers.

The best thing you can do while learning what you can say and do is to say and do nothing on both your strong hands and weak hands.

If you must say something when someone asks if you'll show, say "maybe" and nothing else.

When I make bets, I tend to just stare at the board, regardless of what I have.

When someone asks me that question, or any question, I just stare at the board, regardless of what I have.

It’s hard to balance this line when I have it vs balancing it when I don’t have it, but if I stare at the board long enough, regardless of what I have, I may just be able to do it

Yup,exactly

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If you made the last action, in many rooms he could ask to see your hand and they would show it.

Happened to me recently. I shoved, he tank called, I mucked (I was bluffing) and the ******* actually asked to see my hand. Dealer showed it to him. I was so happy when he lost his stack a few hands later. It's a contained (underground room), friendly game, and I get along fine with the guy, but I'm still happy every time I see him lose his stack

They all seem like tells.

I’ve told people when I jam that it’s my last hand so if they lose they won’t have an opportunity to win the money back. They always call when I say that. Idk why, but I’ve said it like 3-4 times and they’ve called every time. Granted, lol sample size

Just tell him that if he has to think this long about it he is clearly beat and you want to move on to the next hand. You have to look him dead in they eye and with a wry smile or it won't work. 80% success rate.

I think you have a skewed sample here. If they're taking that long to begin with, they're leaning toward folding anyway.

reading the responses
I beginning to think that staying silent is better , as the longer the wait the more likely fold will happen

on the other hand , if I had the nuts and want to induce a call, waiting like a stature is likely not bringing a call
So I think doing something , speech play, calling time , or tossing a chip to the dealer might work as ling as its within the rules

Against a good player, staying frozen will sometimes induce a call.

Against a bad player, fidgeting and looking around will sometimes induce a call.

Against a curious player, talking to them will sometimes induce a call.

If you don't understand these things at a deep level, like DNeg; keep your mouth shut.

Try to make yourself look big. Like if you were confronted by a bear in the wild. Don’t break eye contact. You can try standing up and putting your hands on your hips.

Played last night and got a player to fold with verbal play
Played 4-❤️6 ❤️
Flop was two hearts 7-7-x
There were four of us at the flop
Goes check /check/me(bet 1/2 pot)/ V-caller
The other two checker fold
Turn no hearts. I checked.
V checks
I this point I figure he was going for a draw as well and had no 7
River was Ace a blank no flush or st8
I lead out looked like a value bet He was a tight player.
I started to talk immediately saying
“ The higher kicker wins the pot”.
Looks at me responds “you mean trip 7 ?”
Me “ Yes. Let’s see if you outkick me”
He pauses and says “ I have an ace , no 7”
I say” oh … Ax heart?”
Him “ yes, looking for a heart” He was thinking of calling when the Ace hit but Then mucks his hand
After his muck. I muck
collect the pot and told him I gave him a free look at the turn and would have lost a lot of money if it was a heart.
He still thought I had a 7