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Villians range seems pretty narrow.... Villians range seems pretty narrow....

09-03-2014 , 02:48 AM
Villian $350
Hero $250

$1/$2nl two limpers I'm in mid pos. with KQo so I pot it to $11
3 callers villain is in HJ.

FLOP Q99 rainbow. UTG checks, hero checks, checks, villain bets $30. Folds to Hero I call. I'm thinking he's playing QT-KQ pairs below the Q99 and JT maybe KT... I'm really leaning towards JT. Never played with him but he seems to like to play fancy and i'm thinking he will fire 3 barrels with JT. I ruled out AQ figure he 3bets???? Not really thinking he has a 9 in that spot.

turn is a 5s Hero checks again...Villian bets $65 (pot $170) I feel like it's still JT but i'm thinking I might get a better spot.....I end up folding. Later Villian tells me he had QJ......I dunno how accurate it is. But, I think I need to lead the flop or if im checking then on the turn I think when Villain bets $65, Hero should shove????? Ever thinking he has a 9 or AQ here?
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09-03-2014 , 12:59 PM
WTF this hand makes sense. On the flop you put him squarely on hands you beat and on the turn you put him squarely on a straight draw but then you fold. Your ranging of villain is bad and your line is horrible. Raise more pre and bet flop. You played flop poorly and are now in the dark about villain's holdings. You also didn't include information about villain so it's really impossible to say what he has. He is repping Qx+
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09-03-2014 , 01:13 PM
Preflop I make it a little more, probably like $14 or so.

You have to bet this flop IMO, you will get plenty of worse hands to call like QJ, QT, JT, KJ, KT, J8, T8, 88- that "put you on AK", etc. I am b/f flop and turn, and re-evaluating on river.

Also, it makes more sense to put a villain on a range of hands rather than one particular hand. Why are you leaning towards JT? You don't have enough evidence to put him mostly on JT, and why can't he have a 9 here? Why would he check a 9 when he is last to act on the flop?
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09-03-2014 , 01:19 PM
Ruling out AQ because he didn't 3-bet pre is a mistake. The majority of 1/2 players don't 3-bet AQ.

Why did you check the flop?

As played, call turn. Folding and shoving are both pretty bad.

Do you realize you have about 84% equity against JT on the turn? If you're convinced he has that hand, and you're not comfortable getting the money in here, poker probably isn't the game for you. I don't say that just to be a dick either. You have to have at least a little tolerance for risk.

Last edited by Troyble; 09-03-2014 at 01:39 PM.
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09-03-2014 , 01:35 PM
Grunch.

Oh boy...

What is going on here? It seems to me that you are just pulling random pieces of poker information from no where, trying to put the pieces together to determine what you should do... and then completely ignoring said info and just clicking a random button.

You have never played with this guy before but you think he will 3 barrel J high? And then you fold to two bets?!?! How does this make any sense at all?

Why did you check the flop? You raised with KQ and got a good flop, now bet for value. As played, c/c the turn.

You should probably start working on making actual reads based on information that you have gathered from observing actions/show downs rather than arbitrarily choosing a hand that you "put him on" and then... well you didn't even use the info correctly.

Not really sure how to say this, but if you can't figure out that two pair beats J high and that you should subsequently either call or raise based on that information in order to make money playing poker... Then you have a long way to go.
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09-03-2014 , 02:47 PM
Grunch:

Raise more pre: probably about $14 with 2 limpers.

When you raise pre with a top pair hand, and then hit TPGK on flop, then just bet. Bet like $30 on the flop. What reason do you have to check here? If you check and one of the other V's bets, you have no idea where you are. On the flop, after you check and V bets, V's range is almost any Q, 9, straight draw, PP, and total air (more likely if he's last to bet).

On turn, after V bets (without any descriptions or reads), his range is still about as wide. How aggro is V? What position? I would probably check/fold. The board isn't that draw heavy so he probably has a made hand or complete air. If you call turn, then call river, too. Make the decision before you call turn.

The hand is just a lot easier to play if you bet flop.
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09-03-2014 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod888
Grunch:

Raise more pre: probably about $14 with 2 limpers.

When you raise pre with a top pair hand, and then hit TPGK on flop, then just bet. Bet like $30 on the flop. What reason do you have to check here? If you check and one of the other V's bets, you have no idea where you are. On the flop, after you check and V bets, V's range is almost any Q, 9, straight draw, PP, and total air (more likely if he's last to bet).

On turn, after V bets (without any descriptions or reads), his range is still about as wide. How aggro is V? What position? I would probably check/fold. The board isn't that draw heavy so he probably has a made hand or complete air. If you call turn, then call river, too. Make the decision before you call turn.

The hand is just a lot easier to play if you bet flop.
If his range is unchanged, why would you fold the turn when you have both higher equity vs that range, and are getting a better price than you had on the flop call?
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09-03-2014 , 03:51 PM
I'm not saying to check/call the flop and check/fold the turn. I'm saying that by checking the flop, you have no idea where you are in the hand.

And you're right, V double-barrelling does narrow his range.
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09-03-2014 , 03:53 PM
WAT
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09-04-2014 , 12:17 PM
12 preflop, bet 27 into 48 otf, bet 60 on turn.
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09-04-2014 , 12:21 PM
Don't try to pigeon hole people on specific hands. Range him and play poker. Cbet 100% here btw.
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09-04-2014 , 06:26 PM
:grunch:

KQo in mid position is a good way to lose a lot of money at some $1/2 tables if you're not careful.

He bets $30 on a paired board and you "put him on" JT? And you've never played with him before?

Any Q is just as likely, even *more* likely since many V's will just check and take the free card with JT. I also expect to see a lot of 9's here with screwy suited and/or connecting hands. Ruling out a 9 is pretty bad here.

Again, on the turn a single hand range is troublesome. What ELSE could he have here? There has to be other hands. AQ is in there, A9 is, Q9, QJ, maybe JJ/TT. There are a lot of live players that will flat with AQ+ instead of 3-bet.

Against a complete random OOP I'm folding the turn with this line.

I think leading the flop is better than checking and calling without a better read. You'll get some calls from Q's, some calls from middle PP that don't think you have anything, and obviously calls from 9's. V's are more likely to call than they are to bet out with the hands you beat.
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09-06-2014 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod888

When you raise pre with a top pair hand, and then hit TPGK on flop, then just bet. Bet like $30 on the flop. What reason do you have to check here?
Let's make this more interesting...say we bet to $30, and this unknown Villiain raises to $75. Other players have folded.

Now what?
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