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Villain wins large pot, then criticizes my play 2/5 Villain wins large pot, then criticizes my play 2/5

03-20-2011 , 05:40 AM

I just join table , so does villain. I have played villain 3-4 times. ok player, younger oilfield worker, fairly straight forward, bets his big hands, I would say TAG. 300 effective stacks, I have villain covered with $535. My image is LAG.

4 limpers, I'm CO with K10, I raise to 25. bb and villain in mp call. 3 limpers fold. $92 pot.
Flop 7810.
BB bets 25, villain raises to 100. $217 pot.
I see BB ready to fold. I tank thinking about moving all in or calling,

Whats my play here? I am putting him on better hand than mine obviously. J9, set, maybe 2 pr. I dont think he likes the diamonds on board.
If I hit my diamond, will he pay me off?
I just call flop.BB folds as expected. $317 pot.
Q turns, I insta call another $100. Pot $517
River is blank, villain shoves last $75, I muck, cards accidently flip over.

This is where villain incredulously asks me " You called the turn with that?"
" I'm the tightest player here" (not true of course). Annoyed, I said you called 25 preflop with J9 offsuit, don't say your the tightest player. Which in turn he says I'm the loosest player at the table, which justifies his call.

any way, not here about the beat. I have a few leaks in my game, so Please criticize my play
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03-20-2011 , 07:38 AM
Dont raise preflop. IMO its pretty spewy based on everyones stack sizes bc now you flop big and are in a ****ty spot. Where if you are all 150bb+ deep the raise is fine. Im honestly leaning toward folding. If I do play the hand tho Im shipping it in. He can has 78suited 108s 107s which gives you an extra 3 to 5 outs. If hes got a straigh your 36% o well get it in. Plus you got some fold equaity in hands like 78 a10 jj 107 108
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03-20-2011 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dcpepper12
Dont raise preflop. IMO its pretty spewy based on everyones stack sizes bc now you flop big and are in a ****ty spot. Where if you are all 150bb+ deep the raise is fine. Im honestly leaning toward folding. If I do play the hand tho Im shipping it in. He can has 78suited 108s 107s which gives you an extra 3 to 5 outs. If hes got a straigh your 36% o well get it in. Plus you got some fold equaity in hands like 78 a10 jj 107 108
- this is 2/5, hero is 60ish BBs deep
- 3bet shove flop and be happy.
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03-20-2011 , 10:30 AM
Raise more pre or overlimp. Also, fold the flop. Just because we have a pair and a FD doesn't mean we auto get stacks in. How does our hand stack up against villains range? Is he ever bluffing here? Does he ever have just a T? You said it wasn't mainly straights and sets, and we don't have odds to draw at a flush, so fold and move on to the next hand.
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03-20-2011 , 11:51 AM
3bet shove flop, you may have a little fe, you probably have 13 outs so roughly 45 percent equity and I don't know if you get paid when you make the hand.
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03-20-2011 , 12:19 PM
I don't mind the raise pre at all since we're IP and most of the normal complaints about a hand like KTs are thrown out the window in a sea of limp-callers. I'm not overly worried about domination and people will limp-call with a lot of hands that we dominate.

Fold the flop. Yes, we've flopped a pair and a flush draw, yes, combo draws are sexy, yes the number of outs we can assign to ourselves that will "improve our hand' create wonderful percentages. Throw all that thinking out the window in a spot where we've been donked into in a large multiway pot and that donk has been raised by a tight, straightforward player. This is ONLY going to be a monster, likely a set or a straight, I don't give villain credit for a semibluff range and it is extremely unlikely that improving to trips or two pair will give us the best hand. We don't have the odds to chase our flush alone, so we fold.

If we're not folding the flop we have to shove, calling is by far the worst option imo.
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03-20-2011 , 12:41 PM
I don't mind the preflop raise from the CO, we are in position so its okay to play a little bit of poker with a hand like KTs

Overall, this hand is counter-intuitive. The knee jerk reaction is to shove since we got TP + FD.

however, a bet and then a decent sized raise changes the equation some.

If we put villain on sets and straights, then we have 35%ish equity so its a fold

calling is by far the worst option

fold > shove > call
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03-20-2011 , 02:33 PM
Thanks for the replies so far. This table usually plays 1/2, and switched it up last night. I have a good win rate over 550 hours of play. However over the last year, the regs have all improved their play, and I feel like I am at a standstill. Some of my weakness are playing too many hands, and calling when I know I'm beat ala Daniel Negreanu.

I'll start posting a few more hands. Hopefully I will pull out of this downswing very soon, as I am playing in a series of $600 to $1000 buyin tournaments and cash games next week.
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03-20-2011 , 02:38 PM
Ugh, the flop raise after you lead out id puke in my outh a little :/

You can call the flop raise but it puts you in a weird situation unless you improve on the turn with a diamond, King or Ten.

The only two lines id consider are all the flop raise, and fold the turn to the 100 bet unimproved, or tank for like five seconds on the flop and shove all in. and not say all in, physically just slide the stack over the line nice and smooth
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03-20-2011 , 02:46 PM
betting 1/3rd of our stack to see 1 street is a bit spewy imo. either we go all the way and see two streets or we fold right here right now.

Or put another way, if we are willing to bet 1/3rd of our stack for just one street, then why aren't we willing to bet another 1/3 or half of our stack to see another street if we are unimproved?

Which is the logic for why and how we are able to milk donks on a draw while denying the correct odds (which is the case here)
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03-20-2011 , 05:06 PM
ya, if you're going to put all the money in, jam it, so you at least have another way to win, other than hitting.
however you prob have close th zero fold equity, so....
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03-20-2011 , 06:02 PM
who cares if he criticized your turn play. hes the idiot that bet 100 into a 500 pot with two diamonds still on board
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03-20-2011 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The Fault
who cares if he criticized your turn play. hes the idiot that bet 100 into a 500 pot with two diamonds still on board
Yes he should of shoved the turn for sure. He later said he had flopped the straight.
I found it poor form to take my money and criticize my play at the same time. lol.

After reviewing responses, I probably fold the flop next time.
As it plays, does anybody think I should of called of the last 75 into the 517 pot on river?
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