1/3 NY private game 7 handed

V1 $300 CO: 30yo orthodox Jewish guy, lost his first buy-in calling $15-50 preflop raises and folding on flop. Hasn’t shown a winning hand yet.

H $750: Generally tight image in this game and have been particularly card dead. But very patient. I won my first hand for $150 showing top two. Then nothing for 2h+. Just won two hands vs another player with a straight and AA.

V2 BB $400: late twenties AA with headphones on. Friendly. Likes to show me his hands when I am not playing. Had AK 3 hands in a row 15min ago and he just called preflop raise oop all 3 times. Was very mad first two times that he didn’t hit the flop and lost (?!) and won a big pot the third time flopping a K and rivering an A. Showed him my AA before throwing them away vs a lot of turn agression on a 3 flush/paired board (not against him though).

V3 $300 UTG: 30yo orthodox Jewish guy, seems just a bit more competent than other guy but barely and also loves to see flops.

OTTH
V3 limps UTG. V1 raises to $10.
H calls with AhQh. I would usually 3bet here but 3bets had been called a lot by multiple players in the game and I didn’t want to be in a $120+ pot OOP vs 3 other people who don’t fold OTF. The hand also has big pot potential with hh. V2 calls, V3 calls.

Flop ($40): QTc8
H checks. V2 leads for $25. V3 calls. V1 calls. I raised to $100. V2 calls. V3 and V1 fold.
(That’s a weird flop for this game because we have a $10 J9 bounty that people get really excited about. So always a chance someone has that hand... but I wasn’t overly worry about it).
Thought about just calling and playing a smaller pot with tptk but it’s a decently wet flop and I hated having 4 players in the hand - preferred to take it down or charge for draws.
Thoughts on raise and raise size?

Turn ($240): Jc
I paused for just a sec and V2 (who was BB and me SB) says “all in” (for ~$290) before I get a chance to say or do anything...

Hero?


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Mandatory 3bet pre after a limper and a 3x raise.

Flop check raise is a catastrophe. Extremely easy fold now.

Have to fold here. I know there's probably a case for villain bluffing here because you showed him you can fold AA, but a lot more value than bluffs here.

Ok. I debated that. Was probably 50/50 on the decision. Seems you are way more bullish on 3bet, which I understand.

What’s your sizing here?

Cause $30 or $40 will get you $160 pot with 4 people and AQ... not a spot I love.
And what do you do if you miss the flop? , because these folks are not folding on the flop either...


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Just call on flop then?

I agree with folding the turn. I didn’t really tank much on that one. Turned out he had KJ so wanted to check my decision here. But i agree his range for shoving crushes me.

I just didn’t know what to do with the fact that he shoved out of turn.


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My thought process as well during the hand. And I only put the AA hand into the analysis after I folded... so started doubting myself.


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With no significant dead money in the pot and facing a very small raise and our hand playing well multiway, I'm cool with just flatting preflop.

I might prefer a donk/fold line on this semi-drawy flop, especially against people who don't look like they are getting out-of-line postflop.

I didn't just flat preflop to flop TP multiway and then play a huge pot. Unfortunately the pot is shaping up to that thanks to a bet and 2 calls, and admittedly no one is showing much strength, but I think raising here is overplaying our hand. It'll commit us on safe turns, and in general committing 100bb+ stacks against multiple opponents with just one pair having gotten in only 3% of our stack preflop is meh. I just call and evaluate the turn card/action. IMO.

Looks like a friendly game where people aren't intentionally angling/etc., so my guess is this just a straightforward mistake (acting out-of-turn) and protecting his hand on a drawy board. There's also very few busted bluffs he can have (even KJ probably just waits and sees). And we don't even beat most hands that he is overvalueing (KQ, really?). I fold.

ETA: I'd also recommend to stop showing hands if you don't have to.

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PF should be a 3! in my opinion. If you aren't 3!ing a late position raise from the SB with this hand then what ARE you 3!ing? Just JJ+? You're really high up in your range here. I know being OOP sucks but your hand is almost definitely the best right now so a raise is for value, will likely iso against a weak player, and helps narrow the ranges of any callers for later action. I reraise to $50.

AP flop is a check call. A C/R only strengthens V's hand to a point that you're basically only getting called by hands that beat you or very strong draws. Turn is an easy fold AP, but you shouldn't have gotten to this point.

My line would have been:

PF 3!

Flop lead for 2/3 pot (this is not a flop to downbet imo. You need to deny equity from draws and can get value from worse 1 pair hands since they are likely to include straight and or flush draws).

Turn would be x/f. At this point V's range is so strong that you can be fairly confident that you aren't folding the best hand given that the Jc is probably the best card in the deck for V's range at this point.

3bet is mandatory. $40 to go. If all loose passive players size up even further. If you are certain that wont thin the herd then at least we are reaching the flop with a much lower SPR.

AP check raise vs 3 other players makes me feel a little nauseous.

sounds like a great game though!

I can see now that the logic for the C/R is pretty bad especially if I believe my logic on not 3 betting.

And overall 3bet to $50-60 is clearly best.

Thanks all. And yes it’s a great game indeed. Insane rake unfort. Trade offs!


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You’re logic on not 3-betting isn’t good. It’s great to play a big multi-way pot against wide ranges with AQs and lowering the SPR makes the hand pretty easy to play. 3-bet is much better than call.