By pure coincidence, I was watching a random CLP YouTube HH yesterday in I believe what was a 1/3 NL home game. Situation wasn't quite the same, with main difference being stacks were twice+ as large. But it featured an UTG raise, a UTG+1 3bet, 2 coldcallers, and then UTG calling. I thought, wow, does this sorta action actually occur more often than I think? Or do games just simply differ?

As it turns, of the 3 hands that continued to the 3bet, one of them was KK and another one was AK.

Obviously just one meaningless anecdotal example. And would also be interesting to see what happened in OPs case too. And, yeah, I'm aware there's likely an obvious posting bias. But really, is this just super common in your games? A 3bet with multiple coldcalls with action still open? I'm guessing it was pretty common in 2005 where a lotta people would show up with a lotta lol holdings, but in my experience (and maybe its just me?) this isn't a remotely common situation nowadays.

GstillshovingthoG

Not really the same though, people do treat shortie shoves with a lack of respect. Depends who has what but to me the limp-call shortie shove is the most unusual action in this HH, followed by the cold flat in BB. What you are describing sounds more unusual.

The last live game I played, someone open limped, then called a 10bb raise, then called an overlimp-shove for 50bb holding something like K8o. Like I said, I don't consider this hand history to be "very unusual", I wouldn't be at all surprised to see something like this once every 6 hour session.

Some players won’t fold pocket pairs and will cold call. Others include suited connectors. I get cold called a lot but rarely by 2 players

I’ve seen dudes who even post in forums like this cold call three bets off 100 bb or less with 77 on the regular. Imagine what a gambool fish might have


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Absolutely agree with this, and if somehow action wasn't re-opened then yes, a $66 shove at 1/3 NL is getting called by a huge range of hands. But with the action open and the two coldcalling players having all of $3 in the pot, they would have to be incredibly unaware to be continuing with a lol range. In fact, the more I think about it, the more hands like QQ/JJ/AK/etc. actually do the shoving themselves (trying to iso the shortstack and his lol range), with AA probably having no reason to shove at this depth, and KK kinda being inbetween / eitheror.

GcluelessNLnoobG

IME stupid flats are hands that are "too good" to fold but for whatever reason the player doesn't think that they are good enough to raise. I expect to see anything from suited broadways/big aces/88+ doing this kind of thing. Completely disagree about AA being more likely here. Also completely disagree that they would have to unusually terrible to flat with hands that they should fold - this action is already terrible, it's LLSNL and it's behaving like a duck, it's probably a duck.

This. Also its just a waste of time and energy to be honest to do an in depth analysis of a super standard shove spot like this is. Its just basic ranging, we have a superior top 3 percent hand that plays very well in a multiway stackoff pre, and we are gonna stackoff with +EV. We do not need to overthink this, the average LLSNL player can get so much more value working on other parts of their game -like 100x times the value of wasting time on this lol standard spot.

Even if one of the villains shows up with KK here we have like 25 percent equity against that hand, not to mention the other weak hands that puts money in this pot raises our total EV significantly to the point where its a total no brainer.

Once you played enough hours and take this game seriously, you just instantly know in your head that this is a +EV spot multiway, you stackoff, ride the variancetrain that is inevitable- and reloads if you dont win the hand. Next hand please, focuse on sizing tells, position, solid ranges, who is on tilt and might steam off so you need to widen your valuerange, who is up and thus in lockdown mode only playing nutted hands+++. Good god, dont use up your time and energy on the most standard spots ever.

This, this, so much this.

All this analysis is really only good if you’re picking up a fundamentals book written back in like 2004 and it’s helpful to learn *why* this is profitable so that you can progress from total clueless n00b to break even nit. After that, worrying about all the permutations is just wasting time. Don’t get me wrong, there’s potential value in all of it, but I’d assume someone like OP who regularly plays and asks for feedback on his game to good poker players has gotten past total n00bery

Like GG, imagine taking all the time you spent analyzing fish ranges to cold call 3 bets with preflop and instead did this homework to analyze proper postflop responses to your opponents and their ranges. That would help your win rate way more


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Here’s a hand between Barry Woods and Bart Hansen on LATB, playing 5/10/20 uncapped.

https://youtu.be/9pAzsojtE34

Like, this stuff happens in games this big. And we’re trying to dissect what 1/2 fish can have in a similar situation.


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