5-10nl

Villain is tilty mcgee. He's middle aged, and bemoaning how he "lost $5400 on Friday," and the cards just aren't going his way. I'm looking for any opportunity to get in a pot with him, because he seems more than willing to dump his chips and storm off at this point. Hero has a fairly solid image and has not really beat up on villain so far during this session. Villain has 1500 to start, hero covers.

Preflop, UTG (loose unimaginative player) limps, villain raises to $50 in MP, hero calls OTB with 87, BB calls (tight fit or fold player), UTG calls.

Pot is $205

Flop is 962

Checked to villain who fires out $150, I call, everyone else folds
Pot is $505

Turn is the beautiful 10

Villain immediately fires out $400

Call or put him all in? If he's bluffing we should give him another chance to bluff the river by just calling. If he has anything than we should put him all in so he'll call before a scare card comes out on the river. I know this seems real basic, so if you think it belongs in the lower limit section that's fine with me. Thanks in advance.

This seems like a great spot to rip it in.

Usually tank flatting vs folks I don't have history with...this is especially true if he has bluffs in his range.

If I know it's some guy who's just never folding an op and never bluffing then I stuff to avoid like an A river or whatever but I try not to give people excuses to fold when I have the nuts and am getting lead into for pot and am going to get jammed into on 90% of rivers.

No front door flushes and you blocking 78 means not too many scare cards are coming otr. No one fears bdfd and luckily you block that too.

I fast play on front door flush draws and like 3 liners to a straight.

So if we had 67s on 893hh turn T well then river can put a 4 liner out and/or a h which would suck. Also you rep. more draws in this situation which is great. In your actual situation you rep exactly T9/78/sets with a turn raise.

I think you make more than enough from blowups to compensate for the times when the river brings a 4 straight and he check folds a decent hand. That said, he probably isn't folding any non-bluffs to your turn shove, or even a flush draw, since it will often have a pair or gutter to go along.

Shoving maximizes vs flush draws and probably vs JJ 9x Tx etc. I think you stack QQ+ sets etc over 90% when you call, but strictly speaking, shoving maximizes vs those hands as well since the board can 4 straight. Calling maximizes vs airballs. You didn't really elaborate on how this guy tilts. If he does so by barreling off AQ and stuff here, I think you need to let that happen. If he does so by bet calling any pair on this turn, it can't not be a shove. Make a judgement call.

Just so its said, if the river peels off an 8 or 9, villain will probably still call a smallish(at least $300) valuebet since he is so tilty.

seems like a no brainer call.

dammit, we used to always agree on everything


1. This guy has been complaining about losing a specific amount of money the other day. That's nittier (and more telling) than complaining about losing some round # amount, and it's much nittier than just complaining about losing in general or about some stupid beats or coolers---> he's less likely to bluff off an entire 1500 stack in one hand than your average tilter.

2. Even tilters have something a high % of the time when they go 50 pre from mp after a limp.

3. 4way cbets are strong on 9 high flops- even from tilters, especially not last to act.

4. The turn barrel, when it's not overpair+, it's mostly something that was a reach on the flop but just picked up a bunch of perceived equity---> best to get it in now before he bricks out, shuts down, and has yet another thing to complain about.

5. We rep a good amount of pair+ draw combos when we ship here/the T is signif better than the T or T (and slightly better than the T).

6. People don't bluff rivers enough, especially when their opponent always has legit sdv (based on the rainbow flop, the 2 people behind when the cbet was called, and the turn card completing the only possible draw).

Send it in imo.

put as many betting units into the center as possible

I don't think V put in 2 80% PSB bets to fold to a 55% gii raise. We want to charge a larger flush draw something to catch up as well. I guess if we really think V will fold OTT or 'automatically' bet all Rivers then we can flat. Will V see 2 flats IP fishy?

With V remaining stack we need to get the value now and avoid the c/f River blank .. someone is getting those chips!! GL

Nice explanation DGAF - Im in the camp for tank/ripping as well!

Dealer, I would like to wager a larger amount of money than he did

A turn raise is less than a psb more. If you tank and then shove, you rep tons and tons of 1 pair hands and semi bluffs.

Not everyone is nitty and bad

The only reason I like a call here is that a guy who is tilting his brains out likely has a fair amount of air here and is just spazzing with random big cards a reasonable amount of the time. If we feel he always has 1pr+ or a draw when he bets the turn sending it in is certainly better given this guy isn't folding those.

There have been so many times where tilters have called shoves with AK, AQ, KQ, etc.

So, even if he doesn't have a pair, it doesn't mean he won't call a shove.

5. We rep a good amount of pair+ draw combos when we ship here/the T is signif better than the T or T (and slightly better than the T).

Sorry if this is a stupid question but why is Td slightly better than the Th?

more combos of flopped pair/turned fd

makes sense (because 2 is diamond yes?). Thank you DGAF