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Many are saying KT, but I don't know very many old men who call with KT in the SB for a raise. I exclude that. His range is exactly AA, KK, TT, 66 in my mind. Granted that's without reads, but I feel accurate.

So...if that's the case...and with blockers on KK & 66, as I just said in my previous post....I'm either well ahead (ie. AK / AA...both of which seem unlikely given PF action. Maybe AK if he plays it soft), or well behind with TT.

RESULTS:

***PLEEEEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS WHINING ABOUT HOW THE HAND PLAYED OUT, I'M NOT THAT RESULTS ORIENTED, NOT COMPLAINING, AND REALIZE THIS COULD GO IN BBV*** I genuinely believed this was an interesting spot...and wondered what the community thought of the situation given how it played out.

After a couple mins of thought....I finally decided SB had AK, and figured me on air, and button making a move (as he likely thought button thought the same about me as he did). I thought he shoved honestly beliving he had the best hand.

I ended up re-shoving AI to iso against SB, and believing button was either making a move in position, or had a KQ/KJ type holding.

Button folded fairly quickly.

SB rolled over AK. Board rolled out...

FLOP: T K 6

Turn: 4 (at this point...button slammed his fist on the table, claiming he folded a pair of 4's)

River T (counterfitting me and making SB's hand)


Again...100% not tilted about the beat. That's poker....I just really thought it was an interesting flop spot, given reads....and wondered what the community would do.

Also interested in any feedback on my play in the hand (other than fold-pre )

Thanks all...

It's real important to give him a range and compare your pot odds to your equity. I think you should include at least one combo of AK. I think the right play here is to fold, but if villain shoved for just a LITTLE BIT less than he did, it's a call.

It's real close as yoda says because button essentially never is ahead of you. I don't hate your play as much as some here and your thinking was sound even if you did not do that actual odds calculation IRL.

Thanks Sheik....appreciate it!

I guess this is where if we know player's tendency better, we can make better read. Clearly in this case against an unknown, it is almost not feasible for SB to turn over a hand that isn't at least beating the one hero is holding.

Make the notes and move on? It's like trying to make sense out of a drunk player's play.

100 percent agree that reads and players matter a ton. The best we have here is that he's not a nit but is older. So maybe assume a generic player in the 40th-5oth percentile of aggressiveness.

That said, I'm not sure why you assume that QJ and AK cannot be in his range at least somewhat. The key is how many/how much weight for them vis-a-vis the losing combos. I am not far off of the description of V1 and might play QJ just like this a nontrivial chunk of the time (frankly I'm more apt to play QJ like this than AK I think).

Those hands are absolutely in SB (Old reg's) range. I've even seen them complete AA from their SB.



Agree with Button read here

I agree with this

If I had decided to continue with the hand, the only thing I would have done on this dry board is flat the SB shove, for a chance to keep the button in the hand.

But I likely would have just folded to the SB shove, given description. Your description may be inaccurate however. SB sounds more like a drooler who overvalues TPTK.

Lastly I hate falling in love with top/bottom 2 pair as it opens up more 6 more outs for TP/better kicker by the river (nine total outs)

Oh, I am not saying that those hands we beat aren't in SB's range, but they are the bottom end of his range. Hero is actually a dog, 49% against AKs, AKo, K/Qo, K/Qs, K/10s, K/10o, 10/10 and 6/6. 40% if we remove KQ.

No matter how you look at it, I hate my hand against that range.

Very interesting results and well played.

I like the fact that we ignore 66 because "we have blockers".

Good raise pre. In live poker opening and playing pots with more marginal holdings to extract great value. I dont fold the flop when I hit two pair.

Just read results- nh